re: Ed's got this. No worries. Update: Drunk man pontificates on things beyond him

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Thanks for admitting we didn't try to hire an elite coach. And people are excited because he has "heart?"

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Uhm…we didn’t try to hire Jimbo Fisher? We also didn’t try to hire Tom Herman, who is not a proven elite coach in my opinion. Excuse me, I distinctly remember Alleva trying to hire both of those guys.

So, if not coach O, who successfully auditioned for the job, then who would you have suggested we should have hired for the job?

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This is not Ed's dream job, and I don't know why people want to continuously parrot this belief.

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It’s not, well then maybe someone should tell Ed it’s not so he will stop saying it. Not to mention, to also tell his close friends, Momma, and close relatives from saying it as well and instead to deny it.

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This is maybe the most annoying thing about the whole situation.

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Wow man…you are very easily annoyed.

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Yet, "win now," means in 4 years if things go south?

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Well, what you expect? Should we give him a raise and a new long-term contract if he doesn’t win enough in four years?

By the way, name a coach Alleva could have hired last season that would have been a guaranteed “win now” type of hire. Apparently, you must have one on the tip of your tongue the way that you are acting. Okay, who is it? Who did we miss on? Go ahead, we can take it.

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The O hire is terrible, Right now, and the process was completely flawed

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Why and how was it terrible? Alleva didn’t try to hire other coaches before we hired O? Coach O lost all of his games while serving as interim head coach? What did he do? And explain how the process was completely flawed?

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There is no legitimate metric that makes this make sense

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Okay…what does that even mean. Enlighten me.

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This isn't O's dream job, at all, and he openly hammered LSU on multiple occasions. He's an opportunist at heart. He is not an "LSU man"

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Obviously, you feel very strongly about that. Okay here is your chance to explain to us what you mean by that stupidity. He openly hammered LSU on multiple occasions and he is an opportunist at heart. Okay here’s your opportunity to explain all of that nonsense in detail. Well, maybe he didn’t graduate from LSU, but like most Louisiana residents he followed LSU with his family from the time he was a small kid. So how does that make O not an “LSU man”?

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Going the "Clemson" route is not a common way to win. It just happened to work that one time. We may not actually replicate that success.

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I don’t think Alleva set out to go the Clemson route or try to replicate Clemson’s success in the same way. Nonetheless, the fact that not all successful head coaches are former coordinators is pertinent because it is true, especially in light of all you O haters claiming ad nauseam that he is preordained to destroy LSU’s football program.

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He has to win now, not in 4 years, otherwise this hire makes no sense because....

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Okay, again, put your money where your mouth is and name a head coach we could have hired that would have guaranteed that we win now?

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Even if you argue that O's Interim Records matter in this (and I wouldn't), he has never shown the ability to build a program, never been hired to do it after Ole Miss, never really had interest in it after Ole Miss, and doesn't seem to have the skillset for it. You don't hire O as a 10 year program building, elite level coach. He doesn't match that approach to football. He doesn't have that kind of philosophy. That actually might be why his interim record is so good and his head coaching record is so terrible.

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Of course, you wouldn’t argue that O’s interim head coaching experience at two top-notch football programs in the country after Ole Miss is relevant because you hate O. That’s couldn’t be any more obvious.

Moreover, as far as building a program goes, according to Hugh Freeze, who was hired by O at Ole Miss, had O been able to stay just one more season at Ole Miss, the program would have been turned around.

Meanwhile, O’s successor Houston Nutt won with O’s players immediately until they were gone, then when Nutt’s own players replaced O’s players, the program quickly went downhill fast, opening up the job for Hugh Freeze.

Indeed, that’s the record and the record speaks for itself. Of course, O made some stupid mistakes at Ole Miss, but he also did some good things as well. Maybe he didn’t win as fast as he had hoped, but he was only given three years and he was also only a first-time head coach. What first-time head coach doesn’t make stupid mistakes? Everybody learns from experience and from their own stupid mistakes and Ed Orgeron happens to be human too.

If O had been given just one more year, the program as Hugh Freeze attest would have been turned around and Ole Miss would have ended up with a coach that knew how to build and maintain a winning program. Unlike O’s replacement Houston Nutt who won with O’s players and then embarrassed himself as soon as O’s players had graduated.

Meanwhile, since then both at USC and at LSU, O has demonstrated that he has learned from his own damn stupid mistakes. Furthermore, Hugh Freeze is not the only head coach that recommended O, Pete Carroll also put in some strong words in support of O being hired, and I dare say that both those guys not only know a hell of a lot more about football and coaching than you ever will come close to knowing, but they also are astronomically far smarter than you are as well.

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always go back to thinking he cant be any worse than Miles

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Can't be any worse than Miles?? And I'm sure this isn't subjective at all, not just a personal dislike of the man, his offensive philosophy, his speech, or the way he fricking claps.

Let me put this very simply. It will be an absolute miracle if O DOESNT do objectively worse than Miles. Like, he will be the greatest coach in modern SEC history not named Saban, Meyer, or Spurrier.

Comments like this that totally disregard the success that Miles helped LSU to achieve during his time in BR are what is going to make this next tenure and the movingof the goalposts so funny.

Many people just didn't like Miles personally. Period. Most of that same group just really likes O. That will be the grease that keeps those goal posts sliding backwards for one as opposed to where they were set for the other.

I happen to like them both, for the record, although I was shocked and disappointed that the search process stopped at O.


Edited: thought this was a reply to RTR as well

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He's not Saban, Urban, or Peterson, but he will be consistent and will always invest everything he has into the university. This is his dream job, as it would be every one of us.

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kinda sounds like he could be another cholly Mac type coach. And I don't think that 'consistancy' and that type of mediocrity is going to be enough. He needs to have a lot of success in the win/loss column to prove he was the right choice.

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Yeah O really thrives when he doesn't have to hire the staff, choose the schemes, run the offense,or run the defense.
Its laughable that you dont give Miles credit for his 1st 3 seasons because it was Saban's recruits and then try to tout a fricking interim tenure.

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You always constantly overexaggerate O’s record at Ole Miss way out of context. However, people a lot more knowledgeable about the game of football and the coaching profession and a hell of a lot smarter than you, like Hugh Freeze, for instance, who was at Ole Miss at the time, have said that sure coach O made a few mistakes while coaching at Ole Miss, but it was his first coaching gig and all new head coaches are going to make their fair share of stupid mistakes. Hugh Freeze admits that he also made his fair share of stupid mistakes too when he first became a head coach, as all head coaches are human and learn from their own mistakes.

However, Freeze also said that O did a lot of good as well, which you close minded O haters totally ignore and don’t want to hear about. Freeze says that he told Alleva on the recruiting front, O had completely rebuilt the team, and if O had been allowed to stay for the last remaining year of his four-year contract, the team would have been turned around. However, he was fired, and Houston Nutt was hired as his replacement.

Then, Houston Nutt came in and immediately was able to win with O players. However, as soon Nutt’s players replaced O’s players after O’s players had left, the Ole Miss program utterly collapsed, which opened back up the job for this time coach Hugh Freeze to be hired.

In any event, had Ole Miss given O that final year of his four-year contract, Ole Miss would have ended up with not only a winning coach but also with a coach that new how to build and maintain a winning football team.

At least Hugh Freeze, who was there, sees it, and frankly I’ll take Hugh Freeze’s word every day of the week and twice on Sundays before I would ever accept the word of an immense moron like you.

I couldn't agree with you more!

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The above is not what I asked at all. I asked the following:

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Uhm...just wondering, other than you, who has said this is how coach O coaches the team or intends to coach the team


Apparently, your so-called facts that you make up conveniently off the top of your head and out of context don’t hold up to scrutiny.

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Except that it isn't made up, as pointed out two pages ago.

Everybody knows what you just said, but that's not the context that moonbat represents it in. He says O went from being a micromanager to a completely complacent and completely hands-off coach because he is super pissed off that his favorite coach of all time was fired from LSU and was replaced by coach O.

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Your love and passion for Miles is way over the top.... you say it's not defending him by stating facts.... you defend him every chance you get... it's pathetic....

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I havent defended miles once in this thread. Pathetic is thinking facts about a coach's tenure is defending him. It's amazing how i post this....

Miles 2011-2015= 15 losses 12 conf losses and you deem it defending

Saban tenure at lsu= 16 losses and 12 conf losses and you deem it bashing.

Facts are in now way defending or bashing peen. It's reality.
Its not my opinion that miles has the 7th best win %in the entire history of the sec. It's a fact and the facts that you think it's defending Mikes just tells people how biased you are

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Dabo Sweeney at Clemson was a similar hire

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No it's not.

Why do you people keep saying this bullshite.

When Dabo was hired at Clemson they had ZERO TOP 20 FINISHES in this century.
They hadn't won a conference title since 1991.
The 2 situations were nothing alike.
In the last decade lsu has a NC and plaued for another in 2011.
The 2 situations arent comparable.
Literally the only likeness is neither had been a full-time coordinator.

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In any event, had Ole Miss given O that final year of his four-year contract, Ole Miss would have ended up with not only a winning coach but also with a coach that new how to build and maintain a winning football team.

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Look, O may do very well here, he may string together some mediocre seasons, or he may crash and burn, but that statement is a childish and purely emotional piece of nonsense.

You are clearly just a "he's one of US guy", and that is the whole basis of your opinion.


You take the Reverend Freeze's words at face value (can I get a link for these supposed quotes anyway??), but even if he did say those things, what else would you expect him to say??? O gave him his big break into college coaching, and he was on the staff for that disastrous 07 season that got O fired. Of course he's going to say "boy were we close to turning it around from 0-8 that next year!!!"

I mean seriously, grow up dude.

Plus, what would the HC of a division rival prefer, a guy at the powerhouse next door that was not very successful in his previous HC stint, or a possible up and coming coach with an offensive mind and a proven record at running a program at a smaller school?

Yeah, get me the LSU AD on the line, now!!!