re: Ed's got this. No worries. Update: Drunk man pontificates on things beyond him

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It is still baffling to me that LSU hired someone with this resume....on purpose.

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This is probably why I don't give up. I'm trying to make sense out of something that I just can't. It's lunacy. There's no reason an "LSU" should EVER hire an "Ed Orgeron." None.

Southern Miss? Sure. Rutgers? Sure. Vanderbilt? Maybe. Washington State? Eh.

LSU? No.

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This is probably why I don't give up. I'm trying to make sense out of something that I just can't. It's lunacy. There's no reason an "LSU" should EVER hire an "Ed Orgeron." None.

Southern Miss? Sure.

Rutgers? Sure.

Vanderbilt? Maybe.

Washington State? Eh.

LSU? No.

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You forgot:

Syracuse? Not even an interview

Most of your post isn't really worth responding to, so I'll just stick to the best main idea:

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Well, what you expect? Should we give him a raise and a new long-term contract if he doesn’t win enough in four years?

By the way, name a coach Alleva could have hired last season that would have been a guaranteed “win now” type of hire. Apparently, you must have one on the tip of your tongue the way that you are acting. Okay, who is it? Who did we miss on? Go ahead, we can take it.

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See, the issue is that you are equating "win now," with anything we do. That's a dream for sure. Everyone wants to win. But no, I don't think we expect to win now in a normal hiring process. Most coaches have a "system," they have preferred coaching candidates, they have players that build into a pipeline that matches their system. They develop coaches in areas that make sense for that system. They hire, fire, and recruit to support that singular vision for the field. That doesn't mean that vision doesn't change, however, great coaches, coaches who win championships, generally have an idea of how they want to approach the game. How they develop talent. Sure this is all esoteric stuff, but it's leadership. This is what great leaders do. They have a vision, and they execute on this vision.

This is why we talk about systems. Coaching Trees. Recruiting Pipelines. These phrases are all about creating a predictable engine to drive towards a goal. Even as pieces change, as they always will, the head coach is there to steer, to articulate the vision and build it into the process (yeah there's a reason that word is important. It might be a joke, but it's also very very true), etc.

So, in theory, a great coach comes into a place that has some other vision (hopefully, maybe not a vision at all), and has to build this structure. That's what any leader does. So, no I don't expect a completely new coach to win right away. Honestly, in this situation, a Fisher/Herman probably could have been given a 7-5 first year and I wouldn't run for the hills. I'd trust that they are building for the future. They CAN be given 4 years to make sense and install their system. They can't bomb, but they have some slack.

There's a reason no one talks about O's system. There's a reason O is going to "let the coaches coach." Because coaching isn't his expertise. He also has no vision, and IMO this is a HUGE HUGE Problem long term. He hasn't told me what his brand of football is, because he doesn't know. And if we lose coordinators.....

O was sold as a way to win now, so no, he doesn't get a 7-5ish buffer. If you're sold to win now, then he has to win now. That's why, yes for O 8-4 is the absolute floor, but any real hire in this situation would have been a hire to come in and build a program, to install a new identity, and that requires time. That's the difference.

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This is probably why I don't give up. I'm trying to make sense out of something that I just can't. It's lunacy. There's no reason an "LSU" should EVER hire an "Ed Orgeron." None.

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Which is a reasonable sentiment IMO.

It's not being a "hater" or hoping Orgeron fails, but the mental gymnastics some posters keep going through to justify the hire is exhausting, particularly when considering how often the "settling for mediocrity" trope was used to characterize Les' tenure.

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quote: Dabo Sweeney at Clemson was a similar hire

No it's not.

Why do you people keep saying this bullshite.

When Dabo was hired at Clemson they had ZERO TOP 20 FINISHES in this century. They hadn't won a conference title since 1991.

The 2 situations were nothing alike. In the last decade lsu has a NC and plaued for another in 2011. The 2 situations arent comparable. Literally the only likeness is neither had been a full-time coordinator.

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Yeah the Dabo comparison is silly.

The much more accurate comparison is Gene Chizik, although he actually had DC experience.

But in his previous HC stint, he was an abject failure, going 5-19 at Iowa State.

But he was brought onto a program that had similar expectations for winning as LSU does now, even though they didn't have a recent NC so the pressure on O is rightfully higher.

He had the good fortune of finding a one year wonder becoming one of the greatest players in the history of the SEC, won a title, and was STILL fired just two years later after going 0-8 in the SEC.


Take from that what you will

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took a break for a few months-- amazing. It's like watching a soap opera-- you come back and it's the same old story, with the same characters, screaming the same tired lines. Wash, rinse, repeat, repeat, repeat, ad nauseum.

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Its as if someone held a gun to your head and made you click on the link brother.

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Nice to chat with you again RD.

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Don't be a stranger. I could always use more posters telling me to get off Miles nuts.

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Now I've never told you that.

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I know buddy. Just joking.

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I've literally never said O was a micro manager. Not once.

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Where have you heard or read me say that you did? Nowhere. That’s just another dodge. You’re pretty good at doing dodges. Nonetheless, once you heard he had admitted it as one of his past sins and then stopped doing so, you then insinuate that he went from one extreme completely all the way around back the other extreme of complete and utter complacency. Therefore, unlike your idol Miles, he is incompetent.

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I wanted Miles gone in 2015.

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Obviously, you’re lying. Indeed, you are utterly obsessed with Les Miles. In fact, I’m contemplating informing Miles that you are stalking him. Apparently, you have some sort of gay crush on him. Whatever it is, it’s weird.

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Yes I wanted lsu to hire someone that has at least proven they can run a successful side of the ball.

You realize that I've ran as many successful programs as ed Orgeron right?
I've been a successful coordinator as many times as ed Orgeron.

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The only thing I realize is that you are not only utterly obsessed with your idol Les Miles, but that you are also a major ignoramus of gigantic proportions.

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Its funny watching people you get upset over facts about Ed Orgeron when you did nothing but shite on a lsu coach that actually accomplished something at lsu.

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LSU made Miles. Mile certainly didn’t make LSU. LSU is such a strong program that LSU was able to have decent won-loss records despite the liability of Miles, and, indeed, because LSU’s won-loss record was still good despite the liability of Miles, less than astute ignoramuses like you erroneously credited Miles with its success, even though Miles was a bumbling idiot that couldn’t even figure out basic clock management.

In any event, LSU would have played for or won a national championship in 2006 had it not been for Miles. In 2007 LSU had to get extremely lucky to back its way into the national title game again because of Miles, which was a miracle. The truth is had LSU had a decent head coach like O instead of Miles, we would have at least one and more than likely two or three additional national championships during the same time span.

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Maybe one day you guys will realize that Miles' win%,final rankings,and accomplishments IS NOT DEFENDING MILES.

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It’s not only defending Miles because you have a gay crush on him, but it is also exceedingly delusional as well.

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Those things happened. They are not my opinions. It's not my opinion that miles won at one of the highest rates in sec history. It's a fact. Deal with it ,boy.

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That goes to the strength of the program that it was able to win like that despite the liability of having a very dysfunctional coach like Miles for so damn long.