re: Ed's got this. No worries. Update: Drunk man pontificates on things beyond him

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think he will be hands off as well.... but you make it sound like a fact that he wasn't involved in the offense... and you have zero clue if he did or not....

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As long as you admit miles was responsible for the defense during his tenure I'll admit ed orgeron was responsible for the offense.

Its laughable but ok.

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Well what exactly is your definition of "now" dumbass...do tell?

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Why the insult? Completely unnecessary.

He has to have results similar to Miles, at a minimum for his entire coaching tenure. Miles never finished with 7 wins at LSU. Not once. So 8 is the absolute floor.

8-9 wins means the hire was a massive waste of time, but at least that's "consistency." So if that was our goal then leadership should be happy.

He has to have 11+ wins in one of the next 2-3 seasons for this hire to make any sense whatsoever. If he doesn't get above 10 wins in 2-3 seasons, then that's a problem and it means the hire was not a good one. And that's being incredibly generous.

Unless, as a program, we aren't interested in competing for a National Championship. If that's the case, then 8-9 win seasons and maybe a once in every 5 year SEC Championship should be fine, and we should be happy. I believe this is what most people see as the goal, because that's the only way Ed makes sense (and this is why he could be impossible to get rid of).

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Why the insult? Completely unnecessary. 

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The funny part is he crapped on miles for years and now he gets upset when any mentions FACTS about ed Orgeron's career before lsu.

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He has to have results similar to Miles, at a minimum for his entire coaching tenure. Miles never finished with 7 wins at LSU. Not once. So 8 is the absolute floor. 

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Exactly. If you deemed it underachieving when miles had 10 wins then why shoukdnt we expect 10 wins from the new coach.

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I believe this is what most people see as the goal, because that's the only way Ed makes sense (and this is why he could be impossible to get rid of).

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They are already explaining away things theu wouldve blasted the previous coach for.
Against Florida its no longer on the head coach when the offense looks lost on a critical play.
They are already saying the takent miles left is a steaming pile of mess(direct quote from Red).
They are already saying to not expect 10 wins for 2 years

The narrative of the talent at lsu, what constitutes underachieving, and the blame a head coach gets has shifted by a huge margin.

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RedTigerRulz

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Still my ninja.

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Still my ninja.

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We can hate but still love

Man. I was real drunk when I wrote this shite up last night.

So the FACT is that you can't admit you are wrong.....correct???? If you don't think O had zero to do with the offense your football knowledge is really sad......

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1) The O hire is terrible, Right now, and the process was completely flawed
2) There is no legitimate metric that makes this make sense
3) This isn't O's dream job, at all, and he openly hammered LSU on multiple occasions. He's an opportunist at heart. He is not an "LSU man"
4) Going the "Clemson" route is not a common way to win. It just happened to work that one time. We may not actually replicate that success.
5) He has to win now, not in 4 years, otherwise this hire makes no sense because....

6) Even if you argue that O's Interim Records matter in this (and I wouldn't), he has never shown the ability to build a program, never been hired to do it after Ole Miss, never really had interest in it after Ole Miss, and doesn't seem to have the skillset for it. You don't hire O as a 10 year program building, elite level coach. He doesn't match that approach to football. He doesn't have that kind of philosophy. That actually might be why his interim record is so good and his head coaching record is so terrible.

I'll acknowledge the following:
1) Those who are not excited could very well be wrong
2) The O hire for consistency does make sense. Everyone else is too young or I wouldn't trust them either. If we really wanted consistency, and that was Alleva's goal, then this was the only hire to make.
3) Canada was a good hire
4) O is crazy enough for this whole plan to maybe work, and he has some good connections in football
5) He does have passion for football and he has a knack for spotting talent. That can help long term.
6) He is from Louisiana and does seem to love Louisiana. I'm not sure that matters in the grand scheme of things. But there you go.

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I agree with all this and always go back to thinking he cant be any worse than Miles(and Miles was pretty darn successful), if he just doesnt sabotage the offense, and keeps recruiting well- which nobody has argued that Coach O isnt a great recruiter.

i think it might be crazy enough to work, but as i said earlier, am concerned about long term sustainability of it.

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All of this, of course, began Sept. 25, when the school fired Miles and Cameron. Ensminger’s first action was a meeting with the offensive staff, assigning each member a duty. He put offensive line coach Jeff Grimes in charge of the running game and receivers coach Dameyune Craig over the passing game.

Eric Mateos, a graduate assistant, replaced Ensminger working with tight ends, and he handled goal line and short yardage, he said. Two other graduate assistants were put in charge of offensive packages geared for inside the 20-yard line and inside the 10-yard line.

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Running backs coach Jabbar Juluke worked with Ensminger on the biggest change the staff made: incorporating the play-action pass. That’s something the program did not use enough with Miles and Cameron in charge of the unit, Ensminger indicated.

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Dabo Sweeney at Clemson was a similar hire.

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Wait ... did I miss it where Dabo was head coach at Wake Forest or some other ACC school ... and failed miserably and left the program like hot shite on fire?


That sort of failure was NOT on Dabo's resume. Dabo is now a MNC-winning HC at his FIRST HC gig.



Similar, my arse.