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re: Early 2014 NFL Draft board: Mett 28th & Beckham 46th overall
Posted on 4/30/13 at 9:59 am to CajunFootball
Posted on 4/30/13 at 9:59 am to CajunFootball
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Not in the playoffs he hasn't
I'm not saying he isn't a good qb. He has had lots of success, especially in the playoffs, but if you take a look at his stats there really isn't anything that stands out. He usually gets the job done, and I guess that's all you really need at the end of the day.
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Posted on 4/30/13 at 10:00 am to Tiger Voodoo
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He has a lot of work to do, but he has a very similar skill set to Joe Flacco, who Cameron developed into a guy that is now the centerpiece of the Ravens offense and franchise, not to mention the highest paid player in the NFL.
This is really skewed. Flacco was already an NFL starting QB when Cam was his coach. Mett is still in college, to say that Cameron morphed Joe Flacco into a Super Bowl MVP from nothing is a bit outrageous. Look, Mett will get better under Cam, no question. But to say that he will jump these other kids in the draft is far fetched.
Posted on 4/30/13 at 10:02 am to The Cow Goes Moo Moo
I think the reason his stats don't look that great is because they had Ray Rice who you almost have to give him his touches. A lot of other teams (GB, NO, DT) are not in this position and pass way more often. Thus their QB have inflated stats.
Posted on 4/30/13 at 10:03 am to CajunFootball
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Based solely on what Harvin has done in the NFL. His numbers at UF are almost identical as OBJ for each of their first two seasons.
Not based solely on what Harvin has done in the NFL. He was better in college that OBJ has ever been. And I'm looking at their college stats. Odell has 43 catches for 713 yards and 2 TDs with 2 return TDs this past season. Freshman year had 41 catches for 475 yards and 2 TDs.
Harvin s freshman year he had 34 recs for 427 yards and 2 TDs. Also had 41 carries for 428 yards and 3 TDs. 2nd year he had 59 catches for 858 yards and 4 TDs to go along with 83 carries for 764 yards and 6 TDs. Junior year he had 40 catches for 644 yards and 7 TDs to go along with 70 carries and 659 yards and 10 TDs. He almost had as many TDs his freshman year as Odell had in 2 seasons.
Sure, I guess those numbers are similar
And Manziel is a redshirt sophomore so he will be eligible to enter draft.
This post was edited on 4/30/13 at 10:07 am
Posted on 4/30/13 at 10:03 am to CajunFootball
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I think the reason his stats don't look that great is because they had Ray Rice
Everyone knows Rice gets his touches. Rice doesnt throw incompletions or interceptions for Flacco.
Posted on 4/30/13 at 10:06 am to Bear Is Dead
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Flacco was already an NFL starting QB when Cam was his coach. Mett is still in college, to say that Cameron morphed Joe Flacco into a Super Bowl MVP from nothing is a bit outrageous
Uh, no he wasn't.
Cam Cameron was Joe Flacco's first NFL OC when he was drafted out of University of Delaware
Cam absolutely molded Flacco into whatever kind of QB you think he is today.
And physically, not to mention personality wise, Flacco and Mett are very very similar, although Flacco is more mobile, even though he rarely shows it.
Posted on 4/30/13 at 10:07 am to KG5989
You cannot look at the carries Harvin got at UF. Those were based on the system they ran and no WR at Lsu is going to get near that many carries with the stable of backs that Les keeps around.
Posted on 4/30/13 at 10:14 am to CajunFootball
I think Beckham is going to be a solid slot guy, but he isn't a big physical verticle threat that NFL teams love.
He'll get drafted, and he may go high because he is very athletic. But you can't confound your stats because only half of Percy's compare with Beckham.
Harvin is a multidimensional player, and that is why you can't compare the two. Harvin compares more to say Darron Sproles.
He'll get drafted, and he may go high because he is very athletic. But you can't confound your stats because only half of Percy's compare with Beckham.
Harvin is a multidimensional player, and that is why you can't compare the two. Harvin compares more to say Darron Sproles.
Posted on 4/30/13 at 10:15 am to CajunFootball
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You cannot look at the carries Harvin got at UF. Those were based on the system they ran and no WR at Lsu is going to get near that many carries with the stable of backs that Les keeps around.
Oh ok, so his rushing stats don't count. Got it. Makes a lot of sense. You're trying to make OBJ look legitimately comparable to Percy by taking away Percy's rushing stats. Which is an invalid way of doing it. It's not like NFL scouts only look at his receiving numbers.
These are his total #s from UF. 133 catches for 1929 yards and 13 TDs with 194 rushes for 1852 yards and 19 TDs. But I can't use his rushing stats which is where a lot of his production comes from?? Right makes a lot of sense. And its not just the Meyer system at UF. Percy would of gotten carries anywhere he went.
Again, OBJ can't hold Percy's jock in high school, college, or NFL.
Since i cant use Harvins rushing stats ,sure OBJ is comparable to half of Percy Harvin. I'll give you that.
This post was edited on 4/30/13 at 10:18 am
Posted on 4/30/13 at 10:16 am to Tiger Voodoo
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Cam Cameron was Joe Flacco's first NFL OC when he was drafted out of University of Delaware
Right, he was a pro QB. Hundreds of scouts had already determined that he was worth a 1st-2nd rd pick before Cameron got a hold of him.
Posted on 4/30/13 at 10:18 am to Bmath
The thing is Sproles and Harvin play two different positions, but overlap in the sense that they do a little of both. Sproles has always been a RB who could come out of the backfield and get a swing pass. Harvin is mostly a WR, but they do get him touches when they need AP to get a break.
I should clarify that I only made the connection when I look at how I would imagine NFL teams grading OBJ. I believe they'll look at him as a possible "poor mans Percy Harvin"
I should clarify that I only made the connection when I look at how I would imagine NFL teams grading OBJ. I believe they'll look at him as a possible "poor mans Percy Harvin"
Posted on 4/30/13 at 10:19 am to KG5989
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Percy would of gotten carries anywhere he went.
You must have never met Les Miles.
Posted on 4/30/13 at 10:21 am to Bear Is Dead
Yeah that coaching Flacco received at Delaware is what really turned him into the QB he is today.
Posted on 4/30/13 at 10:25 am to CajunFootball
I guarantee you if Percy was at LSU he would of gotten carries.
And he's not even a poor mans Percy. Tavon Austin is. I dont think hes comparable to Percy at all other than his size. His style of play and skill set is not comprarable to Percy. Only thing is would be size.
He's a Lance Moore type WR. He's a poor mans/ slower Torrey Smith or DeSean Jackson.
And he's not even a poor mans Percy. Tavon Austin is. I dont think hes comparable to Percy at all other than his size. His style of play and skill set is not comprarable to Percy. Only thing is would be size.
He's a Lance Moore type WR. He's a poor mans/ slower Torrey Smith or DeSean Jackson.
This post was edited on 4/30/13 at 10:27 am
Posted on 4/30/13 at 10:26 am to Bear Is Dead
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_________________________________________Cam Cameron was Joe Flacco's first NFL OC when he was drafted out of University of Delaware_________________________________________
Right, he was a pro QB. Hundreds of scouts had already determined that he was worth a 1st-2nd rd pick before Cameron got a hold of him.
So what's your point??
I said Cameron developed Flacco. Are you saying he's the same QB in 2013 that he was in 2007 at Delaware?
Cam developed Flacco from a raw but talented rookie who had never even played D1 football.
I think he can develop Mett from a raw but talented SEC QB to a highly rated NFL ready prospect due to his natural physical tools in a similar way that he developed Flacco.
How is that not comparable?
Posted on 4/30/13 at 10:27 am to JJ27
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Yeah that coaching Flacco received at Delaware is what really turned him into the QB he is today.
Youre dumb if you think that is my argument. Does natural ability and talent ever cross your mind? No all coaching. QB's are just zombies drooling on themselves before a coach comes in.
Posted on 4/30/13 at 10:27 am to CajunFootball
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I should clarify that I only made the connection when I look at how I would imagine NFL teams grading OBJ. I believe they'll look at him as a possible "poor mans Percy Harvin"
Oh, wow.
Posted on 4/30/13 at 10:30 am to Tiger Voodoo
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So what's your point??
My point is that Flacco was an NFL 1st rd. pick before Cam ever started coaching him. To say that Mettenberger and Flacco are even close to being even talentwise prior to Cameron entering the picture is laughable. Mett will greatly benefit from Cameron, no doubt. But you cant say that Mett will go ahead of AJ, Manziel, Bridgewater b/c Cam is his coach. Those guys have good coaches too.
Posted on 4/30/13 at 10:34 am to Bear Is Dead
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QB's are just zombies drooling on themselves before a coach comes in
Well Mett isn't exactly a drooling zombie though.
He's already a 10 win QB in the SEC after being a top rated HS prospect and D2 superstar.
He has plenty of natural ability. Now Cam has to develop it, the same way he did with Flacco.
Again, I don't see what is so crazy about the comparison.
Did Flacco have more natural ability? Probably so.
That doesn't mean Cam can't still develop a very talented Mett with a comparable skill set.
Posted on 4/30/13 at 10:36 am to Tiger Voodoo
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That doesn't mean Cam can't still develop a very talented Mett
Totally kige this
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with a comparable skill set.
Do not kige this
quote:FIFY
Did Flacco have more natural ability? YES.
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