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re: DP with the latest info on JMills on Sports Today NOW
Posted on 6/11/14 at 3:37 pm to lsu2006
Posted on 6/11/14 at 3:37 pm to lsu2006
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PROPORTIONALLY...
Assuming this girl was unarmed, please explain how knocking her the F*** out when you are (almost literally) twice her size is proportional to the threat she posed.
We just gonna ignore the fact that Mills' side of the story has literally nothing to do with self-defense?
Just to be clear, based off of the facts presented so far, my stance is that in no way was jalen mills justified in punching this girl.
PERIOD.
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Posted on 6/11/14 at 3:38 pm to LR2RedStick
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Just to be clear, based off of the facts presented so far, my stance is that in no way was jalen mills justified in punching this girl.
OK? Based on his side of the story he didn't punch her at all. His defense is that he was breaking up a fight and inadvertently elbowed the alleged victim.
Posted on 6/11/14 at 3:42 pm to lsu2006
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His defense is that he was breaking up a fight and inadvertently elbowed the alleged victim
Where did you read/hear that? TIA
Posted on 6/11/14 at 3:42 pm to Random LSU Hero
LINK
I wonder what some of you would do if this crazed bitch was attacking you.
IMHO some form of aggression is warranted in the youtube case even though it's against a woman.
I wonder what some of you would do if this crazed bitch was attacking you.
IMHO some form of aggression is warranted in the youtube case even though it's against a woman.
Posted on 6/11/14 at 3:44 pm to idlewatcher
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Where did you read/hear that? TIA
Hannagriff reported it this morning. Not sure if there's a link, someone posted cliff notes from listening to his show.
Posted on 6/11/14 at 3:44 pm to lsu2006
4 stitches and knocked unconscious? Thats a helluva elbow.
Look I wasn't there, but if I was a trier of fact and those facts were presented to me it would be hard to believe.
That being said, its not my place to try this man. The legal system will run its course and thats fine.
My beef is with people claiming that theres justification in knocking out a girl half your size absent a deadly weapon in her hand. Thats personally disgusting to me.
Whether or not jalen mills engaged in that type of behavior is something that will be tried in a court with due process, and I can only speculate based off of the limited facts released to the press. From those limited facts, it seems damning for jalen. Hopefully more information comes to life that will exonerate him if its not true.
Look I wasn't there, but if I was a trier of fact and those facts were presented to me it would be hard to believe.
That being said, its not my place to try this man. The legal system will run its course and thats fine.
My beef is with people claiming that theres justification in knocking out a girl half your size absent a deadly weapon in her hand. Thats personally disgusting to me.
Whether or not jalen mills engaged in that type of behavior is something that will be tried in a court with due process, and I can only speculate based off of the limited facts released to the press. From those limited facts, it seems damning for jalen. Hopefully more information comes to life that will exonerate him if its not true.
This post was edited on 6/11/14 at 3:48 pm
Posted on 6/11/14 at 3:45 pm to idlewatcher
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Where did you read/hear that? TIA
UPDATE (From Sports Today on 104.5): Hanagriff said Mills disputes how the girls lip became busted. He says Mills is claiming the two girls were in an argument, Mills got between the two girls to break it up, and accidentally hit the victim with his elbow while trying to break up the argument.
Posted on 6/11/14 at 3:48 pm to LR2RedStick
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knocking her the F*** out
If you throw one punch and it knocks someone out that has nothing to do with the level of force imposed. If she is throwing closed hand strikes at someones face they can respond with closed hand strikes in kind. Its almost as if you are saying if someone comes at you with a knife you cannot fight back with a sharper knife. The result of being knocked out means nothing in regard to the action taken.
And when you say proportionally, it is actually that you can escalate one step higher than what is being done to you. It doesn't have to be equal to what they are doing, as long as we are talking about self defense.
Posted on 6/11/14 at 3:48 pm to LR2RedStick
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My beef is with people claiming that theres justification in knocking out a girl half your size ansent a deadly weapon in her hand. Thats personally disgusting to me.
I haven't seen anyone claim it's ok to do that. The issue is that there's a reasonable doubt she wasn't hit in anger, and wasn't knocked out.
Posted on 6/11/14 at 3:48 pm to LR2RedStick
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My beef is with people claiming that theres justification in knocking out a girl half your size ansent a deadly weapon in her hand. Thats personally disgusting to me.
OK, I see what you're saying, but this is completely irrelevant to the matter at hand.
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Look I wasn't there, but if I was a trier of fact and those facts were presented to me it would be hard to believe.
They aren't necessarily facts. They're simply her side of the story, which she must corroborate.
Posted on 6/11/14 at 3:49 pm to TheDrunkenTigah
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The issue is that there's a reasonable doubt she wasn't hit in anger, and wasn't knocked out.
This.
Posted on 6/11/14 at 3:49 pm to lsu2006
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We just gonna ignore the fact that Mills' side of the story has literally nothing to do with self-defense?
We are talking about a middle ground scenario. Not where he punched her for no reason, not where he accidentally elbows her in the face, but somewhere in the middle where the true event normally lays in these types of situations.
Posted on 6/11/14 at 3:51 pm to lsu2006
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Hannagriff reported it this morning. Not sure if there's a link,
No worries, thanks anyway. I just caught the story late this morning
Posted on 6/11/14 at 3:53 pm to lsu2006
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If you throw one punch and it knocks someone out that has nothing to do with the level of force imposed. If she is throwing closed hand strikes at someones face they can respond with closed hand strikes in kind. Its almost as if you are saying if someone comes at you with a knife you cannot fight back with a sharper knife. The result of being knocked out means nothing in regard to the action taken.
And when you say proportionally, it is actually that you can escalate one step higher than what is being done to you. It doesn't have to be equal to what they are doing, as long as we are talking about self defense.
There is so much flawed logic in here, and false "legal" rules that I don't know where to begin.
Have a good day guys. And just know that if you strike an unarmed woman half your size with closed fist hard enough to require stitches and a hospital trip, no judge, jury, or police officer is going to accept your cockamamie ideas on acceptable force.
I will extract myself from this discussion now.
This post was edited on 6/11/14 at 3:54 pm
Posted on 6/11/14 at 3:54 pm to Screaming Viking
wat
Posted on 6/11/14 at 3:55 pm to LR2RedStick
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no judge, jury, or police officer is going to accept your cockamamie ideas on acceptable force.
Considering I work with all of these entities on a daily basis, I beg to differ.
Posted on 6/11/14 at 4:00 pm to LR2RedStick
Also, considering a previous athlete had an original charge with "rape" allegations tied into it and he played, I think punching a woman (depending on the full circumstances)would likely result in similar or lesser consequences. People tend to take the harshest stance on rape.
Posted on 6/11/14 at 4:08 pm to CapitalCityTiger
Based on the downvote pattern, there's a wife beater in here.
Posted on 6/11/14 at 4:16 pm to High C
Not sure I follow you, but if you mean me, I haven't been downvoting him. From the looks of the other thread, it is all looking like a moot point now.
Posted on 6/11/14 at 4:19 pm to Cap Crunch
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Saying that Mills is a moron for blowing off the police
His lawyer will probably disagree.
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