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re: Do we recruit pro-style QBs
Posted on 11/11/14 at 9:29 pm to TigerBait1127
Posted on 11/11/14 at 9:29 pm to TigerBait1127
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Drew Brees, Wilson, Rodgers, Luck style QBs. You don't have to be a statute to deliver the ball downfield
The ability to move in the pocket or scramble for some yards when the D is out of position doesn't make a QB dual threat. Of the guys you listed, only Wilson is even arguably dual threat.
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Posted on 11/11/14 at 9:32 pm to TigerBait1127
Another good point is that on a college Level Cam loved dual threat QBs.
Antwan Randle El was the first QB to rush for 40 TDs and throw 40 Tds in a career.
Antwan Randle El was the first QB to rush for 40 TDs and throw 40 Tds in a career.
Posted on 11/11/14 at 9:33 pm to Navytiger74
Brees was absolutely a dual threat QB in college
And yes, the ability to pick up yards and present a threat to the defense with your legs is the definition of a dual threat QB
Luck and Rodgers easily possess that ability, but have learned the correct way to use it.
Luck had 453 yards rushing in a season while at Stanford, more than Wilson ever had in a season
And yes, the ability to pick up yards and present a threat to the defense with your legs is the definition of a dual threat QB
Luck and Rodgers easily possess that ability, but have learned the correct way to use it.
Luck had 453 yards rushing in a season while at Stanford, more than Wilson ever had in a season
This post was edited on 11/11/14 at 9:36 pm
Posted on 11/11/14 at 9:34 pm to Sandtrap
I think dual threat qbs are more effective in college...when they are used as dual threats of course.
Posted on 11/11/14 at 9:34 pm to KG5989
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Cam has been here for a year and a half and only part of 1 recruiting cycle, where he got Harris. Yeah, he's the 1 that wants dual threats.
It's been hinted at time and time again that Cam wants dual threat guys, but keep your head up your arse.
People think that because Cam was an NFL O-coordinator that he automatically wants pro-style qbs. That's not the case.
Posted on 11/11/14 at 9:35 pm to TigerBait1127
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OP is acting like dual threats can only run or have no value in a pro style scheme.
Also our so called 'pro style' isn't what most NFL teams are running these days. The NFL has become much more of a passing league and the shotgun formation has become a more common site than seeing teams line up in the I.
Posted on 11/11/14 at 9:37 pm to boxcar willie
We ran pro sets last year with Mett.
We're trying to play to our strengths this year and limit our weaknesses
We're trying to play to our strengths this year and limit our weaknesses
Posted on 11/11/14 at 9:40 pm to Navytiger74
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The ability to move in the pocket or scramble for some yards when the D is out of position doesn't make a QB dual threat. Of the guys you listed, only Wilson is even arguably dual threat.
Drew Breese Rushed for 521 yards his senior year
Most of them would rather throw, which i think is what we want, but at the same time, i think we want to run the read option with our QB.
If we can get Harris up to speed I am excited about the idea.
Posted on 11/11/14 at 9:49 pm to TigerBait1127
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Brees was absolutely a dual threat QB in college
And yes, the ability to pick up yards and present a threat to the defense with your legs is the definition of a dual threat QB
Luck and Rodgers easily possess that ability, but have learned the correct way to use it.
Luck had 453 yards rushing in a season while at Stanford, more than Wilson ever had in a season
Didn't realize Brees or Luck picked up that many yards on the ground in their final seasons (though Brees was limited to that one season). I stand corrected. I would not consider either dual-threat in the NFL, though.
Posted on 11/11/14 at 9:52 pm to Navytiger74
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Didn't realize Brees or Luck picked up that many yards on the ground in their final seasons (though Brees was limited to that one season). I stand corrected. I would not consider either dual-threat in the NFL, though.
I think the dual threat tag is a relatively recent thing in recruiting. I'm sure it wasn't around when Brees was in college, and likely wasn't as popular as it is not when Rodgers was being recruited. Everyone knew Luck could run, he was just an exceptional passer as well.
Posted on 11/11/14 at 10:02 pm to Navytiger74
Right, but I completely understand why you'd recruit that ability and try to mold it into that type of style
Posted on 11/11/14 at 10:21 pm to UpToPar
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It's been hinted at time and time again that Cam wants dual threat guys, but keep your head up your arse.
More than just hinted at:
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But overall, Rettig's experience at LSU was not what he expected. Shortly after he arrived, offensive coordinator Greg Studrawa was demoted to offensive line coach and Cam Cameron took over as the play-caller. Cameron's offense calls for a mobile quarterback, which doesn't mesh with the 6-foot-3, 205-pound Rettig's skill set.
"The system wasn't a fit," Rettig said. "The guy who recruited me there got fired from his position and it just wasn't feeling like home. It just changed in such a dramatic way where it just wasn't where I needed to be at the time. I needed to find myself and figure out what I wanted to do." LINK
Posted on 11/11/14 at 10:25 pm to boxcar willie
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Also our so called 'pro style' isn't what most NFL teams are running these days. The NFL has become much more of a passing league and the shotgun formation has become a more common site than seeing teams line up in the I.
This is about one of dumbest things I've read on here. First of all, NFL offenses have the most diverse packages of personnel & formations at any level. There's no way a college coach with the limited time available, could employ a true NFL playbook at the college level.
Just because your eyes see one thing when you watch an NFL game doesn't mean the Tigers aren't using many of the same concepts. Just because the offense uses more I formation then shotgun or pistol doesn't mean we aren't using pro style concepts.
Most spread offenses don't require receivers to learn the entire route tree. Well guess what? Our offense does. With that route tree comes sight adjustments depending on what coverage the defense is in presnap. At the same time the QB has see & make the same adjustment. There's a learning curve involved for both receivers & QB. That's where being able to pound defenses out of I formation comes in handy.
Posted on 11/11/14 at 10:29 pm to emanresu
"The guy who recruited me there got fired from his position and it just wasn't feeling like home. It just changed in such a dramatic way where it just wasn't where I needed to be at the time.
I love how you simply decided to ignore this quote as well.
I love how you simply decided to ignore this quote as well.
Posted on 11/11/14 at 10:31 pm to Sandtrap
No, we recruit no-style QBs. Kidding.
Posted on 11/11/14 at 10:33 pm to BigBrod81
Yes I ignored it by...actually putting it in the quote I posted? 
Cam required a dual threat. The guy who got fired didn't. That's what "changed in a dramatic way." That's precisely why I quoted it.
Cam required a dual threat. The guy who got fired didn't. That's what "changed in a dramatic way." That's precisely why I quoted it.
Posted on 11/11/14 at 10:46 pm to emanresu
I assumed you meant Rettig decided to transfer because he felt he wasn't mobile enough which I think he was for what's asked by Cam of QB's. I think he would have been a fit but the change of philosophy & the recruitment of Brandon Harris scared him off.
Posted on 11/11/14 at 10:52 pm to Sandtrap
I'm not sure that Jennings is not a true dual threat QB. Up until the Bama game he didn't seem the want to run at all. He would have 10-15 yards of open field in front of him and he'd pull up and throw.
This post was edited on 11/11/14 at 10:53 pm
Posted on 11/11/14 at 11:00 pm to TigerBait1127
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Give me the Drew Brees, Wilson, Rodgers, Luck style QBs
I wouldn't place Wilson in the category of those others just yet. Currently, he is really struggling to find his way learning the NFL game inside the pocket. Don't get me wrong, Wilson is really talented but I don't see the ability just yet that Brees, Rodgers & Luck have with throwing with the anticipation of a receiver breaking open or the ability to consistently make stick throws into coverage.
One the thing to look out for moving forward is the success or lack thereof from college spread QBs in the pros. If you look at all the talented spread college QBs in the league right now from Kaepernick, Newton, Wilson, RG3, Geno Smith & Tannehill, they all have their struggles adjusting to learning how to read defenses & consistently throw from the pocket. Sooner or later, NFL teams will stop taking chances on these spread QBs which is going to be difficult because the spread has become so popular in college. If that indeed happens, will we see a trend back to more pro style offenses in college?
Out of all the young QBs Luck is hands down the best & I don't it's just a coincidence that he came out of a pro style offense at Stanford. It doesn't hurt that he is gifted both physically & mentally either though.
This post was edited on 11/11/14 at 11:16 pm
Posted on 11/11/14 at 11:12 pm to Navytiger74
quote:quote:when the D is out of position doesn't make a QB dual threat. Of the guys you listed, only Wilson is even arguably dual threat.
The ability to move in the pocket or scramble for some yards
Luck is faster than Wilson, so he is not a dual threat? I thought the ability to move in the pocket and scramble for yards was the definition of a dual threat QB. What is your definition?
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