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re: Defensive Coordinator Hire
Posted on 4/22/15 at 8:03 am to SDVTiger
Posted on 4/22/15 at 8:03 am to SDVTiger
quote:Initially, no - just like everyone else. But Im hoping for the best of course. One of my main issues is Les interviews Kirby Smart and we wind up with their inside LBers coach as our DC. I smell a rat.
Not a fan of the hire?
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Posted on 4/22/15 at 8:04 am to The Mick
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He then backed his way into the inside linebackers job
What does this even mean?
Posted on 4/22/15 at 8:14 am to USARMYDasher
I would love to say what I really think of this hire but I've already been banned once because of comments I made when he was first hired.
Posted on 4/22/15 at 8:18 am to USARMYDasher
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Many big names in theory should be lining up at the door to coach here
i will never understand this meme that has been pushed by this board. it's simply not true.
Posted on 4/22/15 at 8:20 am to 756
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CLM will not hire anyone he does not have a relationship to, will not cowtow to his coaching insanity or anyone who could upstage him.
CLM is a type of a control freak but a different type than Saban( who is a perfectionist control freak)
CLM controls things that don't need controlling and does not control things that do need controlling
i love this place. just when i think this board can't get any more retarded...the sun rises on a new day and i read some shite like this.
This post was edited on 4/22/15 at 8:21 am
Posted on 4/22/15 at 8:22 am to USARMYDasher
Pretty sure this has been gone over many times. LSU is keeping their option to cut bait with Miles open if he doesn't turn it around in the next couple of years. All contracts offered are being centered around that philosophy. Big time DC's don't like the lack of security that brings so CLM said eff it and hired two of the best recruiters in the country.
Consider the new montra "We are going to beat you because we have better players".
Consider the new montra "We are going to beat you because we have better players".
Posted on 4/22/15 at 8:24 am to Lonnie4LSU
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No one knows how this hire will work out, but if the guy is good enough to be hired by NS twice...he's probably not a "mediocre" coach.
Depends on what you asked him to do. Derek Dooley was hired by Saban twice, he was demonstrably mediocre as a head coach. Saban recommended Houston Nutt to replace him at LSU. He's the definition of mediocre. Just because Saban is friends with someone doesn't mean they can do everything in the world. He hired Muschamp twice, how was he at Florida? He hired Pat Shurmur once upon a time. Dude barely made it a year when he got a promotion. LSU didn't hire Steele to be the linebackers coach. He's coordinating the defense. Not what Saban ever hired him to do. Whether or not he can get the job done is up to him. We know that he wasn't great as a head coach and struggled at Clemson. We shall see.
This post was edited on 4/22/15 at 8:27 am
Posted on 4/22/15 at 8:24 am to ForeLSU
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IMO the "bigger" names that Les interviewed probably wanted more autonomy with respect to assistants than Les was willing to give.
they "probably" didn't imo.
the HC has the final say at most schools as to the assistants. AND it just so happened that we were getting rid of Haley and keeping Raymond no matter who came here. Both of those decisions were good ones. as Chavis learned, co-ordinators do not have complete autonomy nor should they.
Posted on 4/22/15 at 8:26 am to diehardtiger68
LSU is not on the Lou Tepper timeframe anymore.
4 years to implement his defense, not gonna happen
4 years to implement his defense, not gonna happen
Posted on 4/22/15 at 8:29 am to LSU GrandDad
My theory isn't a conspiracy theory. I have no theory. It's not a jab at CLM at all. More just interested in people's opinions on the matter. Who knows? CKS could end up being a homerun
When I refer to LSU as a top 5 program.. I mean as a destination school. In my opinion, it's great school to want to coach at. SEC, easy ties in recruiting in Texas, has the whole state to itself in terms of football schools. Has been one of the winningest schools in the last 10 years. Completely loaded with talent.
Completely hypothetical, but if at this moment, if LSU cleaned house of every coach(and it was coach hiring time), I imagine most would be lined up wanting to take this job.
When I refer to LSU as a top 5 program.. I mean as a destination school. In my opinion, it's great school to want to coach at. SEC, easy ties in recruiting in Texas, has the whole state to itself in terms of football schools. Has been one of the winningest schools in the last 10 years. Completely loaded with talent.
Completely hypothetical, but if at this moment, if LSU cleaned house of every coach(and it was coach hiring time), I imagine most would be lined up wanting to take this job.
Posted on 4/22/15 at 8:34 am to LSU GrandDad
The OP is correct in that the correct position for all Tiger fans should be to reserve judgment.
That said, people are hired based on their reputation, their resume and who they know in every business and professional setting.
When your resume does not match the standard of your new employer, then it makes people justifiably wonder what is going on.
I think this hire is akin to a person that finishes in the middle of their law school class at LSU getting a job at a big Houston law firm like Vincent & Elkins.
It makes you wonder how it happened. It makes you skeptical about who they knew and how they played a role. It also, though, for the pragmatic, does not mean it was a bad hire. The resources available at such a firm can make a person with an average resume appear much better and have great results.
Same thing here. I personally think that when coupled with Orgeron, our defense will not take a step back to any great extent. It is important to remember that directly because of Chavis LSU lost to Alabama at home the last two times Bama was in BR. LSU lost to Clemson and Notre Dame. LSU got trucked by State and Auburn because, among other things, our defensive scheme did not adjust to the offense.
That said, more times than not, LSUs defense was well above average under Chavis, and for that reason, Steele has big shoes to fill.
Steele's success or failure will determine whether or not Miles is allowed to retire in Baton Rouge, bottom line.
That said, people are hired based on their reputation, their resume and who they know in every business and professional setting.
When your resume does not match the standard of your new employer, then it makes people justifiably wonder what is going on.
I think this hire is akin to a person that finishes in the middle of their law school class at LSU getting a job at a big Houston law firm like Vincent & Elkins.
It makes you wonder how it happened. It makes you skeptical about who they knew and how they played a role. It also, though, for the pragmatic, does not mean it was a bad hire. The resources available at such a firm can make a person with an average resume appear much better and have great results.
Same thing here. I personally think that when coupled with Orgeron, our defense will not take a step back to any great extent. It is important to remember that directly because of Chavis LSU lost to Alabama at home the last two times Bama was in BR. LSU lost to Clemson and Notre Dame. LSU got trucked by State and Auburn because, among other things, our defensive scheme did not adjust to the offense.
That said, more times than not, LSUs defense was well above average under Chavis, and for that reason, Steele has big shoes to fill.
Steele's success or failure will determine whether or not Miles is allowed to retire in Baton Rouge, bottom line.
Posted on 4/22/15 at 8:37 am to USARMYDasher
Miles and Alleva really shite the bed with this hire. I don't know if they were rushed into it or if he's another one of Miles' old friends, but it doesn't make any sense.
Posted on 4/22/15 at 8:37 am to DeltaDoc
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I think this hire is akin to a person that finishes in the middle of their law school class at LSU getting a job at a big Houston law firm like Vincent & Elkins.
If they would have finished at the top, they'd be working at Vinson & Elkins, though.
Posted on 4/22/15 at 8:38 am to DeltaDoc
He doesnt have time to turn the defense around, a bad year, and he is gone, along with miles. There really shouldnt be anything to turn around. This defense was good last year and returns alot of guys.
Posted on 4/22/15 at 8:40 am to seawolf06
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Miles and Alleva really shite the bed with this hire.
thanks Ms. Cleo
Posted on 4/22/15 at 8:46 am to The Mick
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He was then fired by Clemson as DC after two years.
He was DC at Clemson for 3 years ('09, '10, & '11) and his first 2 years he fielded good defenses FWIW.
I'm not defending him, as I don't think it was a good hire, but he was able to field top 25 defenses in the first two years. It is troubling that his defense fell so hard in 2011 though.
This post was edited on 4/22/15 at 8:50 am
Posted on 4/22/15 at 8:52 am to RB10
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but he was able to field top 25 defenses in the first two years
In the worst of the big 5 conferences...
Posted on 4/22/15 at 8:54 am to DeltaDoc
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DeltaDoc
You are seriously my new favorite poster. You easily answered my question, expanded, and hit the nail on the head.
I will also add, some coaches as certain schools may not succeed. Baylor before the last 5 years was a horrible mess. Clemson hasn't necessarily been known for their amazing defenses, especially in that weak conference. I reserve my judgement till after the season. Problem is, heat is on at LSU. I don't think believe they would fire Miles, but with all the pressure on the offense this season, the defense can't take a step back. Short leash for CKS. That being said, I like was he has already done. My favorite thing he said was that if something Chavis implemented was similar to what he wanted to do, he would leave it the way it was. Really working with the kids on communication.
Having played defense myself(pretty badly unfortunately) I know that communication and set up is the most vital part of playing defense. Especially now that some teams are running up-tempo offenses that require quick adjustments.
Posted on 4/22/15 at 8:55 am to seawolf06
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In the worst of the big 5 conferences...
This post was edited on 4/22/15 at 8:58 am
Posted on 4/22/15 at 8:56 am to USARMYDasher
He was familiar with the program. He and chavis have been friends for a while. I think he will be fine. If not then the tards get what they wanted, a new head coach.
Also since he had been on bamas staff, we havent beaten them and have had late game collapses. Again, he and chavis are life long friends.
Also since he had been on bamas staff, we havent beaten them and have had late game collapses. Again, he and chavis are life long friends.
This post was edited on 4/22/15 at 8:58 am
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