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Counter list best 2000s players as I feel most these 50s-70s guys wouldn't be much today
Posted on 7/29/23 at 2:38 am
Posted on 7/29/23 at 2:38 am
Imo Canon couldn't go into the game today and rush for 1100+ yards against the Maason Smith/Harold Perkins type players when his opponents D lines were all white, 6'0 210 lbs. Recruiting is much more succinct in finding the best players today, it's not just white guys, and compared to 50s-70s a large amount of players just walked on and did tryouts to start on the team. Today has top 500 player camps, intense workouts, meal plans. Just way different, more money in it, hundreds of millions spent by teams.
It's not comparing apples to apples, so this list is 2000s players: Non-active players, college performance only considered, not NFL
1. Joe Burrow
2. Tyrann Mathieu (don't think there will ever be a more dynamic defender/returner in CF)
3. Leonard Fournette
4. Patrick Peterson
5. Devin White
6. Glenn Dorsey
7. Jamarr Chase
8. Justin Jefferson
9. Tyson Jackson
10. Mo Claiborne
11. Tre White
12. Jamal Adams
13. OBJ
14. Laron Landry
15. La'El Collins
16. Barkevous Mingo
17. Eric Reid
18. Marcus Spears
19. Derek Stingley (For 19/20 only really)
20. Michael Clayton
21. Andrew Whitworth
22. Josh Reed
23. Jarvis Landry
24. K'Lavon Chaisson
25. Patrick Queen
26. Kevin Minter
27. Michael Brockers
28. Chad Jones
29. Dwayne Bowe
30. Guice
31. CEH
32. Devery Henderson
33. Jeremy Hill
34. DJ Chark
35. Deion Jones
36. Addai
37. Grant Delpit
38. Danielle Hunter
39. BJ Ojulari
40. Corey Webster
41. Jacob Hester
42. Kayshon Boutte
43. Donte Jackson
44. Ethan Pocic
45. Greedy Williams
46. Terrace Marshall Jr
47. Ed Ingram
48. Bennie Logan
49. Kwon Alexander
50. Jalen Collins
51. Ego Ferguson
52. Trai Turner
53. Jalen Mills
54. Sam Montgomery
55. Reuben Randle
56. Brandon Lafell
57. Craig Davis
58. Kyle Williams
It's not comparing apples to apples, so this list is 2000s players: Non-active players, college performance only considered, not NFL
1. Joe Burrow
2. Tyrann Mathieu (don't think there will ever be a more dynamic defender/returner in CF)
3. Leonard Fournette
4. Patrick Peterson
5. Devin White
6. Glenn Dorsey
7. Jamarr Chase
8. Justin Jefferson
9. Tyson Jackson
10. Mo Claiborne
11. Tre White
12. Jamal Adams
13. OBJ
14. Laron Landry
15. La'El Collins
16. Barkevous Mingo
17. Eric Reid
18. Marcus Spears
19. Derek Stingley (For 19/20 only really)
20. Michael Clayton
21. Andrew Whitworth
22. Josh Reed
23. Jarvis Landry
24. K'Lavon Chaisson
25. Patrick Queen
26. Kevin Minter
27. Michael Brockers
28. Chad Jones
29. Dwayne Bowe
30. Guice
31. CEH
32. Devery Henderson
33. Jeremy Hill
34. DJ Chark
35. Deion Jones
36. Addai
37. Grant Delpit
38. Danielle Hunter
39. BJ Ojulari
40. Corey Webster
41. Jacob Hester
42. Kayshon Boutte
43. Donte Jackson
44. Ethan Pocic
45. Greedy Williams
46. Terrace Marshall Jr
47. Ed Ingram
48. Bennie Logan
49. Kwon Alexander
50. Jalen Collins
51. Ego Ferguson
52. Trai Turner
53. Jalen Mills
54. Sam Montgomery
55. Reuben Randle
56. Brandon Lafell
57. Craig Davis
58. Kyle Williams
This post was edited on 7/29/23 at 3:29 am
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Posted on 7/29/23 at 2:42 am to Saunson69
IDK, Cannon would be the fastest and strongest RB on our team today.
Posted on 7/29/23 at 2:44 am to AlwysATgr
He just wouldn't. Not in today's game. I think Jacob Hester's senior year would've been better than anything Cannon could do today.
Canon each year averaged 600 rushing yards a year and 200 receiving yards. Like very consistent each of 3 years. Not sure how that stacked up against competition then, but 600 rushing yards now is nothing. Hester had 1100 yards his senior year.
I'm guessing only white guys being on the field in the 50s meant the game was slower, so 600 rushing yards then was actually good.
Canon each year averaged 600 rushing yards a year and 200 receiving yards. Like very consistent each of 3 years. Not sure how that stacked up against competition then, but 600 rushing yards now is nothing. Hester had 1100 yards his senior year.
I'm guessing only white guys being on the field in the 50s meant the game was slower, so 600 rushing yards then was actually good.
This post was edited on 7/29/23 at 3:08 am
Posted on 7/29/23 at 3:12 am to Saunson69
How many times you go between Canon and Cannon says more than anything else you typed. Just pick one.
Posted on 7/29/23 at 3:14 am to Saunson69
quote:
If you think Billy Canon could go into the game today and rush for 1100+ yards against the Maason Smith/Harold Perkins type players when his opponents D lines were all white
Are we time traveling him straight from the 50s and planting him into today or are we pretending he's born in modern times and has the same upbringing as athletes today? Because we can go both ways on this. Jim Brown wouldn't have the stats he did back then in today's game either, he'd be another expendable RB in today's game.
It's not fair to compare players of an old era to now when there's been so much advancement in training, conditioning, diet, etc. It is fair to compare them to their contemporaries because they all had relatively the same training and regimen and whoever came out the best was the best amongst them. And Cannon was the best back then.
If you had just said best players from the 2000s on and left it at that we could have engaged in an honest and fair discussion and start listing. I don't see why you have to go and shite on the players that came before in order to bring that up, but you felt the need to and now that's what the whole thread's going to be, and probably what you wanted so enjoy.
This post was edited on 7/29/23 at 3:28 am
Posted on 7/29/23 at 3:29 am to drizztiger
I'm gonna cut it down because really want the opinions on the list more than Canon
Posted on 7/29/23 at 3:33 am to Saunson69
quote:
Imo Canon couldn't go into the game today and rush for 1100+ yards against the Maason Smith/Harold Perkins type players when his opponents D lines were all white, 6'0 210 lbs.
Are you assuming he gets his 1950s training and they get their 2000’s training? It’s is why this narrative that guys from back then would be worse now. They would be getting the same training and nutritional advantages that these guys get.
They were far and away better than their contemporaries without that. Why would they not be with that advantage?
This post was edited on 7/29/23 at 3:35 am
Posted on 7/29/23 at 3:41 am to Geauxgurt
quote:
Are you assuming he gets his 1950s training and they get their 2000’s training? It’s is why this narrative that guys from back then would be worse now. They would be getting the same training and nutritional advantages that these guys get.
They were far and away better than their contemporaries without that. Why would they not be with that advantage?
Because recruiting wasn't nearly the same then as today. Colleges selected those who showed up to tryouts which were maybe 50-200 white guys at the university, a mere fraction of true available talent in the US.
Today, with technology advances making any kid at any high school accessible and see their tape, ESPN recruiting, 247, on3, Scout, Rivals, are big platforms, teams spending collectively hundreds of millions, elite camps highlighting talent that may have gone unnoticed has completely changed the talent on the field.
If you don't believe this or downvote, then you're sub 90 IQ and don't recognize that the talent then was from the 80 white guys who showed up to tryouts compared to today it's from the millions of high schools kids who play football. Maybe late 70s, this picked up somewhat.
Even if they had the workout/meal plans then, the selection was just from the several white guys who showed up to tryouts. College football and NFL missed out on hundreds of hall of famers due to unadvanced technology/black players not as active or sought.
This post was edited on 7/29/23 at 3:51 am
Posted on 7/29/23 at 3:57 am to Saunson69
quote:
Today, with technology advances making any kid at any high school accessible and see their tape, ESPN recruiting, 247, on3, Scout, Rivals, are huge platforms, teams spending collectively hundreds of millions, elite camps highlighting talent that may have gone unnoticed has completely changed the talent on the field.
OK but nobody else in the 50s had this advantage either. No one is saying that if you went back in time to 1958, scooped Billy Cannon, and came back, and threw 1958 Billy Cannon into a 2023 LSU football game that he would be as effective as he was back then. But among his peers at that time he was better than everyone.
If Billy Cannon was born in 2005 and was going into LSU this year with the conditioning and weight training HS athletes have now that they didn't have in the 50s, do you not think it's possible he'd be a great player? You don't think he could be a Christian McCaffrey kinda guy?
Again, if you had just made this thread asking who are the best players in the Saban era and beyond (since Saban was 2000) I don't think you'd be getting these kind of responses. It's the sheer disrespect you presented with your opening statement shitting on our only Heisman winner before Burrow and anyone else that came before Y2K. When that wasn't necessary for the ultimate topic at hand, which ultimately leads me (and probably others) to believe that this was the real discussion you wanted to have to begin with.
Posted on 7/29/23 at 4:58 am to Saunson69
A few glaring omissions:
Chad Lavalais
Ben Wilkerson
Jamarcus
Claude Wroten
Bradie James
Also, Godchaux, Freak and Lac would probably go before Ego. And I’d strongly consider Flynn and Trev Faulk.
But like I said in that other thread, it’s your list. And putting something like this together is tough (hell, I had to edit to add a few omissions already).
Chad Lavalais
Ben Wilkerson
Jamarcus
Claude Wroten
Bradie James
Also, Godchaux, Freak and Lac would probably go before Ego. And I’d strongly consider Flynn and Trev Faulk.
But like I said in that other thread, it’s your list. And putting something like this together is tough (hell, I had to edit to add a few omissions already).
This post was edited on 7/29/23 at 5:04 am
Posted on 7/29/23 at 5:10 am to Saunson69
If you have a guy who's 6'-6'1, 210lbs, and runs a sub 10 second 100 meter dash, he's gonna play no matter what era we're talking about. "White guy" or not.
Posted on 7/29/23 at 5:18 am to Saunson69
Seems like you’re desperate to bash on white guys.
Posted on 7/29/23 at 5:41 am to Saunson69
Most of the guys on your list of today's players would not have been able to graduate High School in the 50's. School was harder then, just go back and look at some of the tests from that era.
Posted on 7/29/23 at 5:49 am to Saunson69
Interesting point of view from someone who had never seen Cannon play (or seen any film of his, other than his epic 89 yard touchdown run in 1959)
Posted on 7/29/23 at 6:04 am to Geauxgurt
quote:
Are you assuming he gets his 1950s training and they get their 2000’s training?
Even if Cannon got 1950’s training he would be a first round draft choice today. He was just as big, and just as fast, as Leonard Fournette. Billy Cannon was a monster.
Posted on 7/29/23 at 6:54 am to Saunson69
What about Early Doucet?
Posted on 7/29/23 at 7:03 am to Saunson69
Guys, this reminds me of the old adage”there’ no cure for stupid” I wouldn’t try logic.
Posted on 7/29/23 at 7:11 am to Saunson69
quote:
D lines were all white
Nick Bosa, TJ Watt, Maxx Crosby...
Posted on 7/29/23 at 7:17 am to Saunson69
Yeah, I guess he’d say Pete Maravich couldn’t compete in today’s game. At some point in the past players used to play offense and defense. I understand the point, but some of today’s players don’t have the stamina to play the whole game. Billy Canon, Tommy Casanova, and others were the impact players of their time, I won’t take anything away from them. The rules have changed so much. I remember Warren Capone’s job on the receiving team was to, “block” the opposing teams’ kickers. It was very funny to watch the kickers sprint for the sidelines to avoid getting their brains knocked out. I know he played for Alabama, but can you imagine how good a healthy Joe Namath would be in today’s game? Or Johnny Unitas? Or Bert Jones, Archy Manning, and Terry Bradshaw?
Posted on 7/29/23 at 7:38 am to bigjohnson
Right , Bert Jones could never be a starter today 
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