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re: College Football Live
Posted on 7/7/09 at 1:55 am to LSUQ
Posted on 7/7/09 at 1:55 am to LSUQ
Well, LSUQ, perhaps you should have watched the show. As previously mentioned, there was almost 5 minutes of a 22-23 minute show discussing LSU. Much of 2 minutes of this 4-5 minutes John Saunders scrambled the LSU highlights with his "cue cards" audio - it was a horrible butcher. He mispronounced Louisiana names. He slaughtered the word Caddo (called it "Kiddo") in reference to the 7'-6" wooden Indian trophy given to the winner of the annual Northwestern State - Stephen F. Austin football game (insults these 2 great schools and our Caddo nation Native American tribe as well).
A full 9 minutes of the show was devoted to Grambling, Coach Eddie Robinson's wins during his 57 years at Grambling, Buck Buchanan, and Doug Williams' diatribe of what it meant to play football in Louisiana and how LSU recruited him "only" as a running back. So yes, Grambling and Eddie Robinson were given full props!!!! Face it, Doug Williams said several of his high school team buddies played for Robinson and he wanted to do this as well. Yet, he just had to mention the LSU bit. In all fairness, John Saunders (or ESPN staff writers, who knows?) baited him with the question "Was there any other major University offering you a scholarship and, if so, at what position?". Doug Williams then ran with this and his answer stoked the question. It really was a racist dialog of LSU recruiting in the early '70s. As stated previously, so what? Many southern colleges were in this frame of mind 30 to 40 years ago. However, as you said, you "did not see the show".
I respect your points #1, #2 and #3 about characterizations, objectivity, "race card", "PC", "white guilt", "reverse discrimination", "example" and "non-example". But, you know what..... that's just your opinion. Like other posters on this site (like me) we all have opinions.
Many poster's opinions on this site emphatically state that the best way to get past the racist BS is to just stop "throwing it in the face" of America as some media outlets are prone to do. You may disagree. That's your opinion.
Let me mention that I do not see very many (if any) media diatribes like yesterday's CFBL show "baiting" Native Americans (slaughtered and displaced during the 15th - 20th centuries), Asian Americans (persecuted during World War 2), Irish, Italians, and other "minorities" harshly treated throughout time in America. Why? Well, it's not inciteful enough to be news for one thing. However, to me it proves the best way to get past a "situation" is just to not bring it up and talk about it all the time. I am not saying "Don't talk about it at all"!!!! Just don't talk about it all the time!!!
Finally, the show was indeed poorly done. Other CFBL shows of states did indeed discuss best HS teams, coaches, best rivalry, etc. Nada. There were also no schedules of any Louisiana team for 2009. Disrespect to Louisiana all around. But then that would have been cutting into commercial time, legacy to McNair, news of an injured Iowa slated starting RB, etc., etc......
A full 9 minutes of the show was devoted to Grambling, Coach Eddie Robinson's wins during his 57 years at Grambling, Buck Buchanan, and Doug Williams' diatribe of what it meant to play football in Louisiana and how LSU recruited him "only" as a running back. So yes, Grambling and Eddie Robinson were given full props!!!! Face it, Doug Williams said several of his high school team buddies played for Robinson and he wanted to do this as well. Yet, he just had to mention the LSU bit. In all fairness, John Saunders (or ESPN staff writers, who knows?) baited him with the question "Was there any other major University offering you a scholarship and, if so, at what position?". Doug Williams then ran with this and his answer stoked the question. It really was a racist dialog of LSU recruiting in the early '70s. As stated previously, so what? Many southern colleges were in this frame of mind 30 to 40 years ago. However, as you said, you "did not see the show".
I respect your points #1, #2 and #3 about characterizations, objectivity, "race card", "PC", "white guilt", "reverse discrimination", "example" and "non-example". But, you know what..... that's just your opinion. Like other posters on this site (like me) we all have opinions.
Many poster's opinions on this site emphatically state that the best way to get past the racist BS is to just stop "throwing it in the face" of America as some media outlets are prone to do. You may disagree. That's your opinion.
Let me mention that I do not see very many (if any) media diatribes like yesterday's CFBL show "baiting" Native Americans (slaughtered and displaced during the 15th - 20th centuries), Asian Americans (persecuted during World War 2), Irish, Italians, and other "minorities" harshly treated throughout time in America. Why? Well, it's not inciteful enough to be news for one thing. However, to me it proves the best way to get past a "situation" is just to not bring it up and talk about it all the time. I am not saying "Don't talk about it at all"!!!! Just don't talk about it all the time!!!
Finally, the show was indeed poorly done. Other CFBL shows of states did indeed discuss best HS teams, coaches, best rivalry, etc. Nada. There were also no schedules of any Louisiana team for 2009. Disrespect to Louisiana all around. But then that would have been cutting into commercial time, legacy to McNair, news of an injured Iowa slated starting RB, etc., etc......
This post was edited on 7/7/09 at 2:19 am
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Posted on 7/7/09 at 3:12 am to TaserTiger
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A full 9 minutes of the show was devoted to Grambling, Coach Eddie Robinson's wins during his 57 years at Grambling, Buck Buchanan, and Doug Williams' diatribe of what it meant to play football in Louisiana
Good.
Posted on 7/7/09 at 3:34 am to JudgeBoyett
quote:Exactly as intended. Another spin and the merry-go-round keeps goin' 'round. This thread (and the dozens more like it around the internet spawned by the excessive pounding of the racism issue) will in turn fuel hundreds more threads citing them as grounds for further beating of the racism drum which in turn fuels more white rage, etc., etc., etc.; 'round and 'round. And who, I would ask, benefits most directly from all this outrage?
Holy crap. Lots of white rage in this thread.
Posted on 7/7/09 at 5:33 am to TaserTiger
The whole show is 22 minutes long of which they had 2 news segments - McNair and interview with his coach was about 6-7 mins and about 3mins for the Iowa RB. They must've had a lot more planned like talk about HS and breakdown of LSU's schedule which they had to do away with due to these two 'breaking news'. Damn why is everyone so sensitive about a little show on ESPN.
Posted on 7/7/09 at 8:35 am to TaserTiger
Another butchered media job by ESPN about Louisiana and/or LSU. It's becoming a theme.
Posted on 7/7/09 at 8:36 am to fox4espn
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No high school segment or even predictions.
that is really the thing that bothered me.
yes i wanted more on LSU, like everyone else here. but at least talk about the teams upcoming schedule like all the other states they have visited. at least mention the states biggist high school rivalry. best coach, best program...
the steve mcnair situation must have thrown everything out of order. but come on, are they not talking about him in any of their other shows?
just sucks. oh well.
Posted on 7/7/09 at 9:52 am to noonan
This thread really is ridiculous. LSU was given plenty of attention throughout the episode, and other than the foul up during the "Great finishes" segment when Saunders wasn't in sync with the clips, LSU was continually lauded as a college football power with great tradition, and the accomplishments of this decade were well documented.
The thing that most of you fail to recognize is that the tradition of black football in Louisiana is one of the only true unique aspects of college football that ANY state in the country can claim. And guess what, THAT IS ACTUALLY SOMETHING WE SHOULD ALL BE PROUD OF!
You see, while ALL schools in the COUNTRY, NOT JUST THE SOUTH, share in the discrimination, if not segregation, against black students and athletes, Louisiana, with its rich and diverse culture, was a place where despite those disadvantages, young black Americans still had a place that offered them the opportunity not only to participate, but to succeed and excel at universities like Grambling and Southern.
The accomplishments of Eddie Robinson and his players should be a great source of pride for all of Louisiana, because like so many other aspects of Louisiana life, the rich culture gave birth to a truly unique part of American history and tradition.
The episode was clearly affected and altered by the events surrounding Steve McNair's death this past weekend, and as one of the greatest players in college football history, that shouldn't have come as a surprise. Any state slotted to be presented on the day after such an event would have been given less time, and it happened to be that the state was Louisiana, perhaps fittingly given the tradition of the black football college powers in our state.
As LSU fans, we all wanted to see more about our program. However, unlike Ohio, as another poster correctly mentioned as a state that is dominated by 1 school like Louisiana, and other similar states with only one major flagship university, Louisiana football actually has more to offer than that, which, again, is a good thing, and kind of the whole point of a show designed to discuss the uniqueness of college football in a given state.
The thing that most of you fail to recognize is that the tradition of black football in Louisiana is one of the only true unique aspects of college football that ANY state in the country can claim. And guess what, THAT IS ACTUALLY SOMETHING WE SHOULD ALL BE PROUD OF!
You see, while ALL schools in the COUNTRY, NOT JUST THE SOUTH, share in the discrimination, if not segregation, against black students and athletes, Louisiana, with its rich and diverse culture, was a place where despite those disadvantages, young black Americans still had a place that offered them the opportunity not only to participate, but to succeed and excel at universities like Grambling and Southern.
The accomplishments of Eddie Robinson and his players should be a great source of pride for all of Louisiana, because like so many other aspects of Louisiana life, the rich culture gave birth to a truly unique part of American history and tradition.
The episode was clearly affected and altered by the events surrounding Steve McNair's death this past weekend, and as one of the greatest players in college football history, that shouldn't have come as a surprise. Any state slotted to be presented on the day after such an event would have been given less time, and it happened to be that the state was Louisiana, perhaps fittingly given the tradition of the black football college powers in our state.
As LSU fans, we all wanted to see more about our program. However, unlike Ohio, as another poster correctly mentioned as a state that is dominated by 1 school like Louisiana, and other similar states with only one major flagship university, Louisiana football actually has more to offer than that, which, again, is a good thing, and kind of the whole point of a show designed to discuss the uniqueness of college football in a given state.
This post was edited on 7/7/09 at 10:07 am
Posted on 7/7/09 at 10:25 am to Tiger Voodoo
Well written Voodoo.
I watched a repeat of the show after reading the initial thread and felt like (as usual) a good percentage of people on this board are overly-sensitive and are very talented at inventing slights that aren't there or un-intentional.
Let's give the ESPN hates us thing a rest, please!
I also found it interesting that when I was visiting UT sights during the CWS, several posters on the UT boards had very similar things to say about the way they were treated by ESPN...I guess ESPN hates everybody.
I watched a repeat of the show after reading the initial thread and felt like (as usual) a good percentage of people on this board are overly-sensitive and are very talented at inventing slights that aren't there or un-intentional.
Let's give the ESPN hates us thing a rest, please!
I also found it interesting that when I was visiting UT sights during the CWS, several posters on the UT boards had very similar things to say about the way they were treated by ESPN...I guess ESPN hates everybody.
Posted on 7/7/09 at 11:55 pm to TaserTiger
Obviously, the show did not meet either your expectations or those of other posters. Fine, your first paragraph was a reasoned argument explaining what the show lacked.
I can't respond to your second paragraph without seeing the show. . .but from your description it seems that Doug Williams merely gave his opinion. . .one that you don't share but (as you have stated)"we all have opinions".
As I stated in my original post, my issue is how quickly the conversation devolves when it comes to "those" who "talk about it all the time". Again, a hyperbolic response. . .
The success of Grambling players in the NFL is evidence that Louisiana is a talent-rich state not limited to needing a single city on a hill to feel good about itself ( echo Tiger Voodoo's excellent post). I don't need to see the show to take issue with those with the gale to reduce providing media coverage to an incredible Louisiana story to ESPN merely being pc.
The argument you are making seems to be more of a "hear no evil,see no evil" proposition. While you may have the support of many posters on this board, in my opinion, that has never been the best way to go through life. I would love if Native Americans were mentioned more in the media. Are you really arguing that the absence of coverage of the lives of Native Americans is evidence of their success?
It seems to me that some of these responses are more about poster's sensibilities than a desire to move past "situations". Sports history since they were integrated the second time (check that bit of history out when you have the chance)and even before taught us that segregation is stupid and limiting. Remembering "from whence we come" isn't exactly a novel concept.
ESPN and its investors have based an entire industry largely on some of societies greatest examples of the beauty of integration (NFL, NBA, MLB). Why wouldn't they feel comfortable recounting American history as it relates to their industry. . .even the parts that aren't the most comfortable for everyone?
The beauty of this country is that no one, either leader or demos, was expected to be perfect. Why aren't segments like you described seen as a cause of celebration. . .another example of the possibility for growth in a nation of ideals. Though I suppose for some success means being able to forget (citizens of Italian American heritage unaware that many Italian Americans were interned during WWII and lynched during other periods). What I know is that freedom through forgetting is not the choice of everyone, black or otherwise.
As an aside, I think that your list of groups not "baited" is interesting. Particularly your contention that baiting them isn't inciting enough. Inciting to whom? And isn't it interesting that newsworthy equates to inciting this group? Perhaps that's a discussion for another board and time.
I can't respond to your second paragraph without seeing the show. . .but from your description it seems that Doug Williams merely gave his opinion. . .one that you don't share but (as you have stated)"we all have opinions".
As I stated in my original post, my issue is how quickly the conversation devolves when it comes to "those" who "talk about it all the time". Again, a hyperbolic response. . .
The success of Grambling players in the NFL is evidence that Louisiana is a talent-rich state not limited to needing a single city on a hill to feel good about itself ( echo Tiger Voodoo's excellent post). I don't need to see the show to take issue with those with the gale to reduce providing media coverage to an incredible Louisiana story to ESPN merely being pc.
The argument you are making seems to be more of a "hear no evil,see no evil" proposition. While you may have the support of many posters on this board, in my opinion, that has never been the best way to go through life. I would love if Native Americans were mentioned more in the media. Are you really arguing that the absence of coverage of the lives of Native Americans is evidence of their success?
It seems to me that some of these responses are more about poster's sensibilities than a desire to move past "situations". Sports history since they were integrated the second time (check that bit of history out when you have the chance)and even before taught us that segregation is stupid and limiting. Remembering "from whence we come" isn't exactly a novel concept.
ESPN and its investors have based an entire industry largely on some of societies greatest examples of the beauty of integration (NFL, NBA, MLB). Why wouldn't they feel comfortable recounting American history as it relates to their industry. . .even the parts that aren't the most comfortable for everyone?
The beauty of this country is that no one, either leader or demos, was expected to be perfect. Why aren't segments like you described seen as a cause of celebration. . .another example of the possibility for growth in a nation of ideals. Though I suppose for some success means being able to forget (citizens of Italian American heritage unaware that many Italian Americans were interned during WWII and lynched during other periods). What I know is that freedom through forgetting is not the choice of everyone, black or otherwise.
As an aside, I think that your list of groups not "baited" is interesting. Particularly your contention that baiting them isn't inciting enough. Inciting to whom? And isn't it interesting that newsworthy equates to inciting this group? Perhaps that's a discussion for another board and time.
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