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re: Chavis and the bowl game

Posted on 3/26/15 at 6:46 pm to
Posted by chilge1
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2009
12137 posts
Posted on 3/26/15 at 6:46 pm to
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TOP does not mean anything if you have an inept ground game vs an explosive offense.


You were on fire until this sentence. Once we became one dimensional, our ground game dominated games for us.
Posted by nitwit
Member since Oct 2007
12225 posts
Posted on 3/26/15 at 7:30 pm to
Gotta admit there is a lot of compelling argument to Quid's post if his facts are right.
AND, if he's right, there's good reason to get on board the Fire Alleva train.
Chavis was a solid coach, on balance, and he appears to be driven to a division rival over an argument over one year job security.
At 60 yrs old or so, Chavis' concern to have three years to finish his career (not two) was clearly a fair concern and it could have been handled without damage to the program.
Instead, it indeed appears to have become a "respect" issue and was handled WITH damage to the program.
Who wants to see Alleva in that kind of position of authority again?
This is NOT to say Chavis handled it properly, especially as the bowl game approached. He did NOT, and his reputation will forever be affected by that.
Posted by dukke v
PLUTO
Member since Jul 2006
202758 posts
Posted on 3/26/15 at 9:37 pm to
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...says the guy who openly rooted for Brandon Harris to transfer to another team in the SEC so that he could shove it in Miles' face.













I was rooting for the best interest of Harris cause Miles has screwed him already... Nothing against LSU.
Posted by SpookeyTiger
Williamsburg, MO
Member since Jan 2012
3532 posts
Posted on 3/26/15 at 9:43 pm to
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Never said he wasn't..... But his coaching effort against Bama in the NC game was as bad as Chavis coaching job against ND.. There is no difference.. You want to bitch about Chavis and the things he did??? Fine. I am glad he is gone. But to try to minimize what Miles did on 1/9 is just stupid.. a-hole.......


Don't agree with you often but that is some truth right there.
Posted by dukke v
PLUTO
Member since Jul 2006
202758 posts
Posted on 3/26/15 at 9:47 pm to
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Quid Pro Quo


Are you sloflopro's Cousin or something?????
Posted by Dlab2013
Pineville, Luzianna
Member since Jun 2013
9219 posts
Posted on 3/26/15 at 9:59 pm to
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quote: ... I was rooting for the best interest of Harris cause Miles has screwed him already... Nothing against LSU.


Miles Screwed him? B Harris is on video saying that learning the O was like Calculus to him coming out of highschool. Now it's much easier. he basically admitted he didn't know the plays. Yet you are saying that Miles screwed him? Seems like the other way around
Posted by earl keese
A Thousand Miles from Nowhere
Member since Jan 2014
7027 posts
Posted on 3/27/15 at 2:17 am to
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Miles screwed him? B. Harris is on video saying that learning the O was like Calculus to him coming out of high school. Now it's much easier. He basically admitted he didn't know the plays. Yet you are saying that Miles screwed him? Seems like the other way around.


We all know that Miles is to blame for everything that goes wrong when it comes to LSU athletics with some of these people. I'm sure it was Miles fault that the basketball team didn't advance past the first round in the tournament. If you don't believe me, ask dukke v, he or she will tell you the "truth" about all of Miles shortcomings.
Posted by Quid Pro Quo
SEC
Member since Dec 2013
541 posts
Posted on 4/1/15 at 12:12 am to
Miles Wanted to Keep Chavis but wanted a HUNH defense

"Defensive coordinator John Chavis left LSU in a huff after the 2014 season because of year-long contract disagreements with athletic director Joe Alleva. It had nothing to do with LSU head coach Les Miles, who tried to convince Chavis to stay until the very end in the hours after the Tigers lost to Notre Dame in the Music City Bowl on Dec. 30."

Chavis talks about how difficult it was to leave LSU: his love for his players and Miles
Leaving LSU wasn’t an easy decision, and Chavis acknowledged that difficulty considering the relationships built in his time in Baton Rouge.

“The emotions are with those kids,” Chavis said of the Tigers. “I love those kids. But there came a time when you have to make a decision and you have do what's best for you. And I've coached this game for 38 years or so and to be quite honest with you, I haven't always made decisions solely based on what was best for me. But this was a great opportunity that I couldn't turn down. It's a great situation, certainly it's one where I hope I can finish my career. If I get eight or 10 good years here, if I can go that long, it would be great.”

Chavis also had positive things to say about LSU coach Les Miles.

“Listen, I love Coach Miles too,” Chavis said. “He was a great guy to work for. We have a great relationship and it'll always be that kind of relationship. But the toughest thing was leaving those kids. The good thing is, I have a great group of young men [at Texas A&M]. And we're learning to love and care about each other. We're learning to trust each other. That's how it has to happen. They've got to trust me. I've got to trust them. And that happens over time and we're learning that now and Texas A&M feels like home.”
Miles planned defensive changes
Posted by LSU82BILL
Fort Lauderdale, FL
Member since Sep 2006
10312 posts
Posted on 4/1/15 at 7:17 am to
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Go pelini coached the bcs title game and everyone in the country knew he was taking the job. It worked out fine.


Pelini had earned a HC job at a prominent program in another conference, had Miles blessing to take the job and was coaching for a National Championship. He earned that job from the success he had at LSU and left LSU with no ill will towards the school, the AD or Les Miles. He did everything above the board.

Chavis was negotiating behind the scenes with an in-division rival for a lateral move, possibly at the expense of thoroughly preparing for a meaningless bowl game.

Yeah, they are the same thing.
Posted by Tigerik
Franklin, TN
Member since Mar 2007
1622 posts
Posted on 4/1/15 at 9:01 am to
Chavis acts like his D's were great on their own. Not TRUE. Let's see if he can hold up a strong Defense when the A&M offense time of possession is well below that of LSU's. One reason his defenses were highly ranked was that our offenses controlled the game clock and kept the ball the majority of the time.

I attended the coaches luncheon before the game in Nashville and his body language said it all. He was standing off to the side (not with the other coaches or players) and when the coaches began to sit down Chavis had to be asked (coaxed, encouraged strongly) to sit with them at the Coaches table. I think this was not just a rift between Alleva and Chavis or the school and Chavis, but it was one between Chavis and Coach Miles as well.

He could not hide his attitude that day and I knew he was gone right then and there. His body language and demeanor said he was gone, and he WAS!

After watching 4th quarter leads vanish, a la' Bama TWICE, and Notre Dame in the MCB I'm glad he's gone. Now let's see if Steele can hold on to a lead.
Posted by Lefthash
Member since Dec 2010
107 posts
Posted on 4/1/15 at 9:07 am to
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Instead, it indeed appears to have become a "respect" issue and was handled WITH damage to the program.


Without getting into any discussion on the quality of Chavis' defenses (as it is really irrelevant to the "Miles Clause" in the contract) I don't think Alleva screwed up by not guaranteeing Chavis a position if and when Miles leaves the program. It is not a given that an incoming coach would want Chavis on his staff, and if you want to attract a top coach in this situation (which I do) then he needs to have control over his staff when he comes in.

Imagine the following scenario

- Alleva guarantees Chavis the next 3 years with a buyout equal to his salary to keep Chavis from A&M around Thanksgiving
- Miles goes to Michigan instead of Harbaugh at the end of the season
- LSU gets to the final stages of negotiating a deal with Harbaugh that fall apart because he doesn't want Chavis on his staff - or he resents that decision being made for him prior to him being contacted - a week or two before NSD

The next coach doesn't have to be Harbaugh, I just chose that name because he was the hot coach for the this cycle. As shortsighted as Alleva is being accused of acting, his actions may be based on the fact that he doesn't want to restrict his candidates to replace Miles to only those who are willing to accept Miles' staff as part of the deal.
Posted by 18handicap
Member since Jul 2014
5314 posts
Posted on 4/1/15 at 11:23 am to
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Pelini had earned a HC job at a prominent program in another conference, had Miles blessing to take the job and was coaching for a National Championship. He earned that job from the success he had at LSU and left LSU with no ill will towards the school, the AD or Les Miles. He did everything above the board.

Chavis was negotiating behind the scenes with an in-division rival for a lateral move, possibly at the expense of thoroughly preparing for a meaningless bowl game.


Yes very true and Pelini stayed around to help us win the National Championship when many coordinators who get head coaching jobs before the bowl games leave for their new school right away. The Ohio State offensive coordinator took the Houston job but stayed as well. I'm sure it was tough on them doing 2 jobs at the same time, but it worked out well at the time for everyone involved as both had their hearts and focus on the job to win the NC.

Chavis was working for a new boss exclusively and didn't have his heart nor focus on our bowl game. He should have done the right thing and left for College Station before bowl preparations and let someone who really wanted to win prepare the defense.
This post was edited on 4/1/15 at 11:24 am
Posted by YouAre8Up
in a house
Member since Mar 2011
12792 posts
Posted on 4/1/15 at 11:24 am to
Posted by Tigz
Denham Springs, La.
Member since Jan 2014
72 posts
Posted on 4/1/15 at 3:38 pm to
Chavis did not have the chest to say goodbye to his players but that is history. He is tiger bait. Let the lawyers sort out the legal mess with the contact and or NCAA violations.
Posted by LSUFAN2
Tennessee
Member since Jan 2011
2431 posts
Posted on 4/1/15 at 6:11 pm to
Many people forget that Les interviewed with Skip while his OSU team was practicing for their bowl game with Ohio State. What goes around eventually comes back around.
Posted by lsu2006
BR
Member since Feb 2004
39978 posts
Posted on 4/1/15 at 6:16 pm to
Lol you're trying to compare a guy that recruited for a team while still under contract with his previous team to a guy interviewing for another potential job?
Posted by LSUFAN2
Tennessee
Member since Jan 2011
2431 posts
Posted on 4/1/15 at 6:31 pm to
lsu2006: Struck a nerve did I? I cannot believe you made such a dumb arse statement. You cannot make this chit up.
Posted by lsu2006
BR
Member since Feb 2004
39978 posts
Posted on 4/1/15 at 6:35 pm to
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Struck a nerve did I?

What? Not at all.
quote:

I cannot believe you made such a dumb arse statement. You cannot make this chit up.

Expound, please.
Posted by dukke v
PLUTO
Member since Jul 2006
202758 posts
Posted on 4/1/15 at 7:00 pm to
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I cannot believe you made such a dumb arse statement



No worries... He makes them all the time..............
Posted by lsu2006
BR
Member since Feb 2004
39978 posts
Posted on 4/1/15 at 7:32 pm to
You're adorable, PEEJ. You've even got a pal now!

Now, use your words. What have I said that is wrong?
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