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re: CFN Post Spring Top 25
Posted on 5/4/16 at 8:28 am to Rickdaddy4188
Posted on 5/4/16 at 8:28 am to Rickdaddy4188
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The same ucla that went 8-5?
The same notre dame with 3 losses like lsu?
The same FSU that had 3 losses like lsu?
I should've said "in recent years." Ohio State two years ago won the NC with Cardale Jones. UCLA with Hundley and Rosen (a true freshman). Notre Dame last year with DeShoze Kizer played very well as a RS Freshman. Jameis won the NC and Heisman as a RS Freshman at FSU. Deshaun Watson played very well and made the NC game as a sophomore (coming off an ACL injury). Oh, and JFF won the Heisman as a RS Freshman. These were just examples off the top of my head.
Now, of course, I'd love for my starting QB to be a 4th or 5th year guy. Sure, experience helps, no rational person would dispute that. I'm just saying it's NOT AN ABSOLUTE REQUIREMENT. With the right talent and coaching, young players can play championship caliber football.
Also, going back a decade, with the exception of 2008 (Tebow's junior year) a first-year starter in the SEC won the SEC, won the National Championship, or won the Heisman.
Young and/or inexperienced QBs can, and do, play very, very well. That's my point.
This post was edited on 5/4/16 at 8:31 am
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Posted on 5/4/16 at 8:53 am to atltiger6487
Cardale jones was a rs sophomore with 3 years in system. Winston was in his second year of the system and jimbo is a qb guru. Watson and JFF were freelancers and played in a simplistic spread with minimal reads. Tebow also played in a friendly system.
The only guy that can be compared is Rosen and he made the same mistakes Harris did. In a prostyle offense there will be growing pains. But when he has it mastered like Russell 06 or mett in 13 lsu it's hard to stop with the level of athletes we bring in. People forgot how lost mett was until 12 Bama game and how inconsistent and mediocre Russell was until his junior year.
The only guy that can be compared is Rosen and he made the same mistakes Harris did. In a prostyle offense there will be growing pains. But when he has it mastered like Russell 06 or mett in 13 lsu it's hard to stop with the level of athletes we bring in. People forgot how lost mett was until 12 Bama game and how inconsistent and mediocre Russell was until his junior year.
This post was edited on 5/4/16 at 8:57 am
Posted on 5/4/16 at 10:51 am to atltiger6487
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Ohio State two years ago won the NC with Cardale Jones. UCLA with Hundley and Rosen (a true freshman). Notre Dame last year with DeShoze Kizer played very well as a RS Freshman. Jameis won the NC and Heisman as a RS Freshman at FSU. Deshaun Watson played very well and made the NC game as a sophomore (coming off an ACL injury). Oh, and JFF won the Heisman as a RS Freshman. These were just examples off the top of my head.
They are outliers. The fact that you cant see this is telling. You think your opinion outweighs facts.
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Young and/or inexperienced QBs can, and do, play very, very well. That's my point.
They are the outliers. Stop acting like 50% of young and inexperienced qbs play well. They dont. Most don't even get a chance to play let alone play well. This is common knowldge to anyone with minimal football knowledge.
This post was edited on 5/4/16 at 11:02 am
Posted on 5/4/16 at 10:57 am to essesee
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The only guy that can be compared is Rosen and he made the same mistakes Harris did. In a prostyle offense there will be growing pains. But when he has it mastered like Russell 06 or mett in 13 lsu it's hard to stop with the level of athletes we bring in. People forgot how lost mett was until 12 Bama game and how inconsistent and mediocre Russell was until his ju
Dont even correct him. When someone says youth and inexperience at the qb position doesnt matter , they are proving they dont know shite about football. If inexperience doesnt matter then why dont all these rookie nfl qbs have great seasons?
Its common knowledge that inexperience and youth at the qb position is a huge negative. You naming 5 fricking qbs doesnt change that.
This post was edited on 5/4/16 at 11:10 am
Posted on 5/4/16 at 11:11 am to atltiger6487
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lso, going back a decade, with the exception of 2008 (Tebow's junior year) a first-year starter in the SEC won the SEC, won the National Championship, or won the Heisman.
Tebow, cam newton, and bama
So 2 of the greates qb in sec history and bama qb that was the worst player on the offense.
You just posted 2 all time qbs,johnny manziel, and bama qbs with the most talent in the country.
Posted on 5/4/16 at 11:20 am to Rickdaddy4188
Yeah, Bama had success with first year starting Quarterbacks the past two seasons.. but both were Seniors I believe?
Posted on 5/4/16 at 11:35 am to Billder
We finally get an upperclassman at the QB position again. And yes, it is a big deal.
Les with 3rd+ year players at QB: 11-2 (JR RS Soph), 11-2, 12-2, 11-2, 13-1, 10-3, 10-3.
Les with 1st/2nd year players at QB: 8-5, 9-4, 8-5, 9-3.
Pretty sure I got all that right.
Les with 3rd+ year players at QB: 11-2 (JR RS Soph), 11-2, 12-2, 11-2, 13-1, 10-3, 10-3.
Les with 1st/2nd year players at QB: 8-5, 9-4, 8-5, 9-3.
Pretty sure I got all that right.
This post was edited on 5/4/16 at 11:38 am
Posted on 5/4/16 at 1:10 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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Dont even correct him. When someone says youth and inexperience at the qb position doesnt matter , they are proving they dont know shite about football.
I've never said that. I acknowledge that experience is useful, I'm merely saying it's NOT ABSOLUTELY REQUIRED. Big difference.
Posted on 5/4/16 at 1:14 pm to beauchristopher
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Yeah, Bama had success with first year starting Quarterbacks the past two seasons
actually, it goes back further, to McElroy and McCarron, too.
That means the last 4 Bama first year starters at QB McElroy, McCarron, Sims, Coker) either won the national championship or made the playoffs.
Posted on 5/4/16 at 1:18 pm to Guava Jelly
Since 2008, LSU has played Ole Miss 8 times. In all 8 years, Ole Miss has been less talented, yet they won in 2008, 2009, 2013, and 2015.
Outsidfe of the actual losses, LSU has nearly lost to a completely outmatched Ole Miss in 2010 and 2012. Their only convincing wins came in 2011 and 2014 LSU survived against an overrated but very good Ole Miss.
So claiming LSU is not likely to lose to Ole Miss is a bit silly. Tiger Stadium is not hallowed ground like in years past either. Arkansas embarrassed LSU on its home field last year and LSU needed a miracle to beat a winless in the SEC Arky team in 2013.
Outsidfe of the actual losses, LSU has nearly lost to a completely outmatched Ole Miss in 2010 and 2012. Their only convincing wins came in 2011 and 2014 LSU survived against an overrated but very good Ole Miss.
So claiming LSU is not likely to lose to Ole Miss is a bit silly. Tiger Stadium is not hallowed ground like in years past either. Arkansas embarrassed LSU on its home field last year and LSU needed a miracle to beat a winless in the SEC Arky team in 2013.
Posted on 5/4/16 at 1:23 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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Its common knowledge that inexperience and youth at the qb position is a huge negative. You naming 5 fricking qbs doesnt change that.
7 of the last 8 national champions had first-year starters at QB.
Experience is useful, but not required.
Posted on 5/4/16 at 1:28 pm to atltiger6487
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7 of the last 8 national champions had first-year starters at QB.
Experience is useful, but not required.
They also adjusted their systems to fit their player's skillset rather than forcing a square peg into a round hole like Les does or even just trying to eliminate the QB position which he has done no matter the OC.
I think that is why most of us have little faith that Les is going to turn things around entirely on the offense and are wary of seeing high rankings like this. It only inflates the egos of the team and fans and does nothing else.
Posted on 5/4/16 at 2:02 pm to atltiger6487
quote:I take it you're one of those who think starting is end-all in QB development.
7 of the last 8 national champions had first-year starters at QB.
IMO qty years in program are most valuable, as dominant Frosh, RS Frosh and True Soph are rare, while excellent 1st year starters more common.
Posted on 5/4/16 at 5:16 pm to Mayhawman
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I take it you're one of those who think starting is end-all in QB development.
No, but "first year starter" is just one of the many excuses the excuse-makers constantly trot out, so I feel compelled to offer a rebuttal.
Posted on 5/4/16 at 5:59 pm to atltiger6487
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No, but "first year starter" is just one of the many excuses the excuse-makers constantly trot out, so I feel compelled to offer a rebuttal.
Damn, but you are a dummy!
It's not first your starter. It's new to the program first year starter where you find few successes. Zach left high school in January of 2009 and it took him to 2013 to become a successful starting SEC QB.
Harris got to LSU in August of 2014 and was starting in September 2015. Saying he had some trouble because of his youth is not an excuse, its fricking common sense a 12 year old should be able to understand.
Posted on 5/4/16 at 7:56 pm to LSU Groupee
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Harris got to LSU in August of 2014 and was starting in September 2015.
No, Harris was an early enrollee. By the time he started in Sept 2015, he had been under Cam for two springs, two summers, two falls, and one full season.
Posted on 5/5/16 at 9:48 am to atltiger6487
LSU's going to be as good as the San Diego Zoo! amirite?? 
Posted on 5/9/16 at 12:04 pm to Knight of Old
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ripping the eyes out of their heads and pissing in their dead skulls!
I hope you are right.
We have lost four straight regular season games to them, so I am sure you can see why I don't feel good about beating them.
Posted on 5/9/16 at 12:06 pm to Billder
I'm not liking all this hype for our team. I like when we are an underdog and fly under the radar but I'll take the exposure
Posted on 5/9/16 at 12:34 pm to atltiger6487
Everything you're saying is correct but don't think for one second these idiots are gonna agree.
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