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re: Can we as a fan base not recognize that young QB's develop over time?
Posted on 12/11/15 at 10:16 am to TigerBait1127
Posted on 12/11/15 at 10:16 am to TigerBait1127
quote:
So it ignores the SECCG and Alabama NC game
Doesn't help his argument, so why would he use it? You know, facts and all.
I guess those games never occured.
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Posted on 12/11/15 at 10:18 am to Salviati
They are filtered to support your love for JJ
You're leaving out the 2 games where he had sub 90 QB Rating and combined for 83 yards.
His sample size for the regular season SEC play was 56 passes. 29 came from 1 game.
You're leaving out the 2 games where he had sub 90 QB Rating and combined for 83 yards.
His sample size for the regular season SEC play was 56 passes. 29 came from 1 game.
This post was edited on 12/11/15 at 10:25 am
Posted on 12/11/15 at 10:18 am to Topwater Trout
quote:My stats are complete. They are SEC Regular Season Games.
so your stats (facts) were incomplete
quote:Oh I like this comment. My stats are a lie? They are inaccurate? Please show me how they are inaccurate.
and a lie when I made my comment earlier.
Please show me that Lee, Jefferson, and Mett did not get better from their first year starting to their last year starting.
quote:You continue to refuse to accept the facts. If the shoe fits . . .
you said morons refuse to accept facts?
Posted on 12/11/15 at 10:21 am to Salviati
They are misleading and irrelevant.
JJs population of passes for SEC regular season play in 2011 isn't statistically relevant, especially given that over 50% of his attempts came in 1 game
Hell, only one of those games had more than 10 attempts
So the only telling thing from that stat is that he played well vs Arky
JJs population of passes for SEC regular season play in 2011 isn't statistically relevant, especially given that over 50% of his attempts came in 1 game
Hell, only one of those games had more than 10 attempts
So the only telling thing from that stat is that he played well vs Arky
This post was edited on 12/11/15 at 10:25 am
Posted on 12/11/15 at 10:21 am to Salviati
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You continue to refuse to accept the facts. If the shoe fits . .
I said there was no way JJ/JL had a better qbr than Mett. I was right
Posted on 12/11/15 at 10:23 am to Mo Jeaux
quote:Back the frick up.quote:And he's a walk-on, junior-college transfer quarterback.
Zack Mahoney was 16 of 38 (42.1%) with a QB Rating of 96.95.
Zack Mahoney was used as an example of an outlier QB who played well without a lot of experience:
quote:The point is that Mahoney did not play well. People's memories are not as good as they seem.
Point is, he played pretty damn good.
There are not a lot of outlier QBs who play well without experience.
quote:What is your point? Yes, Harris had a worse performance against Bama. Harris got injured against Bama, and Bama has a much better defense than LSU. How do you think Mahoney would have played against Bama?
Harris had a worse performance against Bama.
Posted on 12/11/15 at 10:25 am to southeasttiger113
quote:I guess you're one of those folks who hates facts and analysis?
But does he type long paragraphs that include bold and italics to make it seem like he knows what he's talking about and has a strong point?
Posted on 12/11/15 at 10:27 am to Salviati
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Back the frick up.
No.
quote:
Zack Mahoney was used as an example of an outlier QB who played well without a lot of experience:
No, he wasn't.
quote:
The point is that Mahoney did not play well.
No, he didn't, objectively. However, you're missing the point of the statement. I can only assume that you're being willfully obtuse.
quote:
What is your point? Yes, Harris had a worse performance against Bama. Harris got injured against Bama, and Bama has a much better defense than LSU.
The point is that you showed stats to tell us how a (inexperienced) QB played horribly. I showed you stats for a (experienced) QB that were worse.
quote:
How do you think Mahoney would have played against Bama?
Non-sequitur. You're again missing the point. Willfully, I assume.
Posted on 12/11/15 at 10:27 am to TigerBait1127
quote:Jesus Tap Dancing Christ.
So it ignores the SECCG and Alabama NC game?
That's convenient.
TCU, WVU, and Oregon > at least half of the SEC. I can understand adjusting for power 5 teams, but you're leaving out those games to inflate JJ
This thread is NOT about who was the better QB.
This thread IS about whether LSU QB's got better from their first year to their last year.
Can you focus on the issue for just one thread?
Posted on 12/11/15 at 10:27 am to Salviati
Your facts are slanted and honestly idiotic.
You're cherry picking games to support your views with zero logical reasoning
You're cherry picking games to support your views with zero logical reasoning
Posted on 12/11/15 at 10:31 am to Salviati
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This thread IS about whether LSU QB's got better from their first year to their last year.
Can you focus on the issue for just one thread?
And I'm saying you're using retarded logic as part of your "facts".
You can't use JJs regular season SEC play. It's based on 1 game and isn't a good sample.
Let the facts speak for themselves instead of retardly altering them.
UGA and Bama were part of the 2011 season. Hell, they were the 2 biggest games. Include them and include Oregon and WVU
You can't make a conclusion for a seaosn based on 56 passes where 50+% came in 1 game. It's retarded.
This post was edited on 12/11/15 at 10:32 am
Posted on 12/11/15 at 10:32 am to Salviati
I have no idea if this would support or refute your argument, but any particular reason you ignored this request?
Oh, and include all games?
quote:
Any chance you could re-do these charts using total yards passing? TD's?
Oh, and include all games?
Posted on 12/11/15 at 10:33 am to tigereye58
I know I've been guilty of "negativity", but right now there seems to be too much of it going around. I hope the coaches can prove their critics wrong, and I've been a critic.
This post was edited on 12/11/15 at 10:34 am
Posted on 12/11/15 at 10:34 am to Salviati
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This post was edited on 12/11/15 at 10:45 am
Posted on 12/11/15 at 10:38 am to southeasttiger113
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I never said that they were "wrong", moron. You present them in an incomplete way. Let's take Jefferson's career for example, and let's keep in mind that (I'm assuming) this is your argument that Cam's doing a good job.
Your cute graphic: shows a trend line from Jefferson's worst season to his best season (senior year) and that's all the evidence you need to believe that Cam did a bang up job
Reality: Jefferson had a terrible freshman year. He got substantially better his sophomore year when Cam showed up and had a 138 QB rating. He got substantially worse again his junior year and had his worst TD:INT ratio of his career and had a similar rating to his freshman year. Then his senior year was almost identical to his sophomore year with a 138 QBR, but wait, he only had 100 attempts and a disproportionate amount of those were against inferior competition and the people around him were substantially better than 2012.
So yea, your stats are incomplete and biased when you present nothing but a trend line from Jefferson's sophomore to his senior year QB rating. And let's keep in mind that at a lot of programs, when Jefferson was busy compiling an awful 114 QBR his junior year, a lot of guys are fully developed and going pro.
I mean if you think that going from bad to mediocre to bad to mediocre again is great QB development on Cam's end then I'm not sure what to tell you, especially when our relatively talented QB's like Jefferson have 10 INT's to 7 TD's and a 114 QBR their junior years. That's awful and should be noted when you're praising Cam for "improving guys from their sophomore to senior years"
lol
Jefferson never played under Cameron.
This post was edited on 12/11/15 at 10:39 am
Posted on 12/11/15 at 10:42 am to TigerBait1127
quote:Can you, just once, try not to turn a thread into Jefferson versus Lee? Just once?
Your facts are slanted and honestly idiotic.
You're cherry picking games to support your views with zero logical reasoning
Use whatever stats your little heart desires.
These stats use all games, not just SEC regular season games.
Lee, Jefferson, and Mettenberger got better from their first year as a starting QB to their last year as a starting QB.
Lee
QB Rating increased 35.11 points from 2008 to 2011
Comp% increased by 9.12% from 2008 to 2011
YPA increased by .86 yards from 2008 to 2011
Jefferson
QB Rating increased by 25.84 points from 2008 to 2011
Comp% increased by 11.68% from 2008 to 2011
YPA increased by 1.63 yards from 2008 to 2011
Mettenberger
QB Rating increased by 43.11 points from 2012 to 2013
Comp% increased by 6.06% from 2012 to 2013
YPA increased by 3.00 yards from 2012 to 2013
Posted on 12/11/15 at 10:46 am to amiznit
God damn I just woke up and I have no idea why I included that. But regardless the narrative that Jefferson improved steadily from his freshman to senior seasons is bullshitePosted on 12/11/15 at 10:47 am to Salviati
quote:
My stats are complete. They are SEC Regular Season Games.
You've got to include the postseason bro
Posted on 12/11/15 at 10:48 am to Salviati
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Jefferson
QB Rating increased by 25.84 points from 2008 to 2011
He barely played in 2008 either. 73 passes (41 in your SEC play BS
) In power 5 games for JJ:
2009: 134.8 QB Rating
2010: 117.3 QB Rating
2011: 131.7 QB Rating
2009: 61%
2010: 57%
2011: 61.6%
Yards/Completion:
2009: 11.8
2010: 12.2
2011: 10.7
Do I need to graph these for you?
This post was edited on 12/11/15 at 10:52 am
Posted on 12/11/15 at 10:48 am to southeasttiger113
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God damn I just woke up and I have no idea why I included that. But regardless the narrative that Jefferson improved steadily from his freshman to senior seasons is bullshite
Disagree. The numbers show that JJ was better as a senior than he was as a freshman.
No doubt about it, he regressed as a junior. But he was much better as a senior.
This post was edited on 12/11/15 at 10:49 am
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