re: Can we as a fan base not recognize that young QB's develop over time?

No, I'm one of those folks who hates people who use 2 or 3 stats to paint an incomplete picture of reality to support their own biased personal feelings. I really enjoy looking over stats, I really hate people who obviously never played sports and don't understand that you can either:

A. actually sit down and spend a few hours researching something in its entirety and present it fairly and come to a conclusion

or B. shut the frick up and stop using stats in a manipulating way to support what you want to believe

You and Rickdaddy are the two worst people on this board about compiling a bunch of stats to support what you want to believe while ignoring things like the fact that Jefferson's TD totals were all over the place throughout his career. Are TD's not a relevant stat or why exactly are you ignoring that in favor of things like yards per attempt? Could it be because you're biased and trying to push your bullshite narrative that QB hasn't been a complete crapshoot under Miles?

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They have to improve steadily from freshman to senior season.

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This is typically what happens in good sports programs, yes.

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Then they will have to improve steadily from game to game within a season.

Then they will have to improve steadily from play to play within a game.

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And THERE'S the classic drama queen Salviati "take what I said to the extreme so it can seem like my argument is irrational".

When you have QB's consistently having their worst years as juniors, something is wrong. Juniors in programs with good QB development don't have 114 QBR's and 7:10 TD:INT ratios. Our QB's are going from awful to mediocre with awful years sprinkled in there and you're praising our QB development. You're an idiot

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so now it's not enough that they improve.

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most players improve simply due to maturity from their freshmen year to senior year...no real way to measure how much of that improvement is coaching (which would be development)

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They have to improve steadily from freshman to senior season.

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this would tend to support the coaches are developing them correct?

I'll post this again:

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Jefferson 
QB Rating increased by 25.84 points from 2008 to 2011



He barely played in 2008 either. 73 passes (41 in your SEC play BS  ) 

In power 5 games for JJ: 

2009: 134.8 QB Rating 
2010: 117.3 QB Rating 
2011: 131.7 QB Rating 

2009: 61% 
2010: 57% 
2011: 61.6% 

Yards/Completion: 
2009: 11.8 
2010: 12.2 
2011: 10.7 

Do I need to graph these for you? 

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Lee had no where to go but up, but our entire offense changed after 08. Les got scared and the quick passes were removed.

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Can you, just once, try not to turn a thread into Jefferson versus Lee? Just once?

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Can you quote me where I made this a Jefferson vs Lee thread or even compared the 2?

Didn't think so. Take an intro to stats class

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They have to improve steadily from freshman to senior season.

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Did you see the SECCG and the NCG? If so, you wouldn't be claiming improvement.

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I'll repeat it for you.

These stats use ALL games, not just SEC regular season games.

Lee, Jefferson, and Mettenberger got better from their first year as a starting QB to their last year as a starting QB.

Lee
QB Rating increased 35.11 points from 2008 to 2011
Comp% increased by 9.12% from 2008 to 2011
YPA increased by .86 yards from 2008 to 2011

Jefferson
QB Rating increased by 25.84 points from 2008 to 2011
Comp% increased by 11.68% from 2008 to 2011
YPA increased by 1.63 yards from 2008 to 2011

Mettenberger
QB Rating increased by 43.11 points from 2012 to 2013
Comp% increased by 6.06% from 2012 to 2013
YPA increased by 3.00 yards from 2012 to 2013

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Ohhhh . . . so now it's not enough that they improve.

They have to improve steadily from freshman to senior season.

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Jesus.

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You do realize that progress rarely observed to be steadily upward.

QBs do have bad years.

Coaching doesn't have the creativity required to allow Harris to be successful. Run, run, throw 20 yd pass. Punt.

Throw 20 yd pass, throw 40 yd pass, draw, punt.

run, run, 30 yd pass, punt.

That's about it. If they can develop a 5 yd throw with some touch, maybe he'll be good. Until then, he's not even serviceable as a QB at this level in this offense.

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and outside of securing us a Juco stud, we have yet to see tremendous improvement out of any of our QB's.

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I know he didn't recruit JR or Flynn, but we saw steady improvement out of both of them under Les (and Jimbo)

In Cam's case, this is his first shot with his guy. Even in the JR and Flynn cases, it took them into their 3rd + season to get it together

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JJs population of passes for SEC regular season play in 2011 isn't statistically relevant

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An you want me to take a statistics class?