re: Can we as a fan base not recognize that young QB's develop over time?

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I was astounded Miles did not put JL in for that reason alone.

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No reasonable fan can defend CLM for not giving JL a shot in that game. We have seen it since...he has a game plan and sticks with it regardless of whether or not its working.

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Shut up. Cam has developed nothing. His qb's have gotten better when they were not with him....see drew Brees and joe Flacco.

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This is so dumb. Flacco had a great playoff run, which he's done several times since, but his overall play has been worse since Cam left. He went from 22/10 TD/Int to 19/22 the following year.

And Drew led one of the best offenses ever (at the time) with Cam in 2004. He had a 104.8 passer rating (3rd best of his career) with 27 TDs and 7ints.

Drew sure thinks he developed him, but you know more.

The NFL success rate for QBs, especially franchise QBs, is low, yet he has Brees, Rivers, Flacco, and Taylor off the top of my head. I can't think of any NFL coach with a better résumé in that department

Well this is the 3rd year of this offensive staff. This is the first QB Cam recruited too

And I'd say mett developed pretty well from 2012 to 2013.

Wrong,Mett was developed when he got here.

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...there are coaches out there who prove time and again that with proper mentoring and scheming, a young QB can achieve and beat great teams. They give them a good chance to perform better than expectations.

Then, there's Miles and [insert name of any of his OCs] who constantly prove that with improper mentoring and scheming, even an experienced QB can underachieve and look retarded, confused, and inept as frick.

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exactly

Dream on home boy!

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I wish LSU ran an offense that QBs could adjust to earlier

But I think Harris will improve a lot next year

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Why? Serious question - why do you think that? Just because it will magically happen?

What has Cam done since he's been here to give you that kind of confidence? And don't answer "Mett" because Mett's big improvement from 2012 to 2013 was primarily due to getting out from under Studrawa's awful offense and having NFL talent surrounding him at RB and WR.

Harris has been in Cam's system two full years. Can he improve, sure, but I'd bet my house that any improvement will only be marginal.

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Wrong,Mett was developed when he got here.

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Sure didn't show it in 2012

His footwork was night and day between the 2 years

But then the only sample you really have for Cam is Harris...

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Like when the pumpers reject the facts about the program declining for example?

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That is not a fact. It's an opinion. Moreover, that opinion is contradicted by the fact that LSU will have a better record this year than last year.

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I just made an observation. No way am I going to think our qb play was better in 2011 than 2013 based on those QBR's.

Would you take Mett 2013 or JJ/JL 2011?

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First, those are NOT QBRs. Those are QB Ratings, and if you don't know the difference, I question your ability to discuss QB issues intelligently.

Second, your post is an amazing deflection attempt!

This thread is not discussing whether we had better play in 2011 versus 2013.

Try to stick to the issue: young QB's develop over time.


Did we have better QB play in 2011 versus 2008?
Yes, undeniably and irrefutably yes.


Did we have better QB play in 2013 versus 2012?
Yes, undeniably and irrefutably yes.


Hence, the charts support the proposition that young QB's develop over time.

Uh...I was at the Syracuse game and they had a QB that was so far down the depth chart that they had to scramble just to get his name in the program - I think he was a 5th string walk-on or some such shite. Point is, he played pretty damn good.

During the last games of the season, our #1 guy still flakes out under pressure, over throws 6' plus receivers that are wide open in the end zone, and seems unable to take charge in situations that demand it (i.e., just lining the team up and snapping the damn ball before the play clock expires, regardless of whether the coaching staff's heads are up their collective butts).

This is not happening because the kid has no talent or is too young. He has tons of talent and there are way too many examples of kids at his age and experience level doing just fine in big-boy college football. It's happening because the HIGHEST PAID OC in college football isn't getting the job done -whether it's teaching fundamentals, creating systems that adapt to given skill-sets, or just plain boosting morale and confidence. And there are only so many reasons why this could be...