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re: Can Cam develop a Dual Threat QB?
Posted on 1/11/15 at 5:03 pm to TigerB8
Posted on 1/11/15 at 5:03 pm to TigerB8
quote:RP ftw.
I think the question that should be answered is can they (LSU coaches) identify a QB talent in highs school that can develop as a div 1 QB.
quote:fify
UGA usually has a couple five stars at a time in their state.
quote:They already had theirs?
There's a reason Mark Richt didn't offer The current LSU starter.
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Posted on 1/11/15 at 7:06 pm to Mayhawman
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Silly question in OP and wonder about these fans. You figure they'd have googled Cameron by now.
I'm still in the room. And I'm not the kind of fan that just spouts off stuff off the top of my head. He did great with Mett, I'm simply wondering if he will make Jennings and Harris better? I just haven't seen much improvement from last years bowl game to this years bowl game. Except the 4 for 66 yards to the tight end. That was great.
Will he do better with Franks, Jennings, and Harris... Or Patterson? Giving 1 good QB as an example is not a good example.
Posted on 1/11/15 at 7:17 pm to Hoovertigah
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what do you feel makes coaching a DT QB more difficult than a pro style?
Posted on 1/11/15 at 7:56 pm to trooploop
That's like saying Elway, Gil, Winston wasn't very good before getting to college football. Some guys make it no matter what and some don't.
How many great college qb don't make in nfl and some great high school qb don't make in college.
How many great college qb don't make in nfl and some great high school qb don't make in college.
Posted on 1/11/15 at 8:02 pm to TigerB8
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UGA usually has a couple five stars at a time on their roster.
They haven't had a 5 star QB since 2009 in Aaron Murray, and he was only a 5 star on scout.
I also don't think you should place blame on Cam, who did not recruit Jennings. The funny thing, is that Jennings won an Elite 11 regional. In all honesty, i have no idea how he has failed so bad.
Harris has all the tools, he is just very raw. He has always needed a redshirt year. Cam should have bit the bullet, and played the other QBs in Spring, so we could have had somebody to build a gap between him and the backup position.
Even Murray (#3 pro style QB) redshirted the year Joe Cox stunk up the joint. I believe Harris can come in strong next year and be great for us, as long as he puts in the time and work needed.
This post was edited on 1/11/15 at 8:06 pm
Posted on 1/11/15 at 8:06 pm to Datbayoubengal
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In all honesty, i have no idea how he has failed so bad.
I really think cam/miles gets into their heads about turnovers and it makes them super paranoid and forces them to press.
look at harris/jennings vs new mexico state... harris looks like a heisman candidate, he gets all the snaps with the 1's for a week going up against auburn and then he completely shits the bed. I think the coaches are fricking up their heads. Jennings looked great making awesome throws vs arkansas 2013... then he gets a month of prep and looked awful against iowa. I don't think it's a coincidence at this point. the QB's look so tense and like they just need to relax.
wish cam was down on the field with them but we both know that'll never happen.
Posted on 1/11/15 at 8:08 pm to ItsThatDude12
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's not about developing.....question should read "Can came recruit a QB to fit his system "?
It amazes me that we keep recruiting dual threat qbs, who have never taken a snap under center and expect them to run a prostyle offense. The pro style offense is , by far,the most complex offense in football. I wish the staff would recruit pro style qbs that werent statues behind the line of scrimmage. It's easier said than done. Even the most talented prostyle qb recruit, is gonna have to adjust to the speed of the game.
Posted on 1/11/15 at 8:11 pm to lsuguru
[quote]They can't even develop any threat of our quarterbacks[/quote
This is just not true. JJ and JLee both got better during their careers at lsu. Mett also improved a tremendous amount after his 2012-2013 season. And dont say Richt and UGA developed Mett cause its bullshite. Mett enrolled at UGA in the fall semester of 09 and was dismissed in april of 2010. Mett had approximately 5-6 months of practice at UGA.
This is just not true. JJ and JLee both got better during their careers at lsu. Mett also improved a tremendous amount after his 2012-2013 season. And dont say Richt and UGA developed Mett cause its bullshite. Mett enrolled at UGA in the fall semester of 09 and was dismissed in april of 2010. Mett had approximately 5-6 months of practice at UGA.
Posted on 1/11/15 at 8:27 pm to JaxTiger10
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And dont say Richt and UGA developed Mett
No, it's just that Richt has a better eye for QB talent than Les does. He can evaluate high school QB talent and convince them to go to Athens.
Posted on 1/11/15 at 9:02 pm to chilge1
I don't think it is more difficult, I just think he coaches Pocket Passers better. He doesn't think, or coach scramble until the past two games he's coached. I may be wrong, it's just my observation with Mett, Jennings, and Harris. His pocket passers seem to do better?
This post was edited on 1/11/15 at 9:07 pm
Posted on 1/11/15 at 9:09 pm to TigerB8
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No, it's just that Richt has a better eye for QB talent than Les does. He can evaluate high school QB talent and convince them to go to Athens.
Miles has trouble projecting talent at the qb position, but its not like he hasnt gotten 4 star/elite 11 qbs.
Rettig was the 3rd rated prostyle qb in 2013.
Jennings was the 6th rated DT qb in 2013.
Posted on 1/11/15 at 9:10 pm to TigerB8
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No, it's just that Richt has a better eye for QB talent than Les does. He can evaluate high school QB talent and convince them to go to Athens.
Mett was going to go to UGA no matter who the coach was. His parents are affiliated with the program
Posted on 1/11/15 at 9:29 pm to Hoovertigah
quote:You have to look at the team as a whole.
Silly question in OP and wonder about these fans. You figure they'd have googled Cameron by now.
I'm still in the room. And I'm not the kind of fan that just spouts off stuff off the top of my head. He did great with Mett, I'm simply wondering if he will make Jennings and Harris better? I just haven't seen much improvement from last years bowl game to this years bowl game. Except the 4 for 66 yards to the tight end. That was great.
Like another post stated, the WR corps was extremely young. They will grow and get better, and when they do, the QBs will too.
Even Jennings will look much better when the WRs settle into their roles. For example, if he "knows" Quinn will get open just past the sticks (and will catch the ball), the passing game gets easier. Jennings can sneak a peek at Dural to see if he's gonna get deep, and if there's any doubt, he then can hit Quinn for the 1st down and keep the chains moving. We just didn't have that this year; the only player Jennings had a good bit of trust in was Dural deep, and by the time he was able to read that, it was too late to go anywhere else. If Dural was open, it was 30+ yds downfield, and if he wasn't, it was scramble time.
Posted on 1/11/15 at 10:36 pm to Hoovertigah
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He doesn't think, or coach scramble until the past two games he's coached
You don't coach your kids to scramble, that's pure athleticism. A QB should ALWAYS think pass first.
Posted on 1/11/15 at 11:23 pm to trooploop
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In all seriousness, when has Cam Cameron not effectively developed a QB. Sent multiple QBs to the NFL as an assistant at Michigan, Gus Frerotte went to the Pro Bowl with him as QB coach, Randle El, Brees, Rivers, Flacco, Mettenberger. So, his track record has him developing a QB wherever he's been yet now he can no longer do it because of a first-year starter with an incredibly young offensive skill group? Man, tough crowd. It's like people think Cam has been here for a decade and responsible for all past QB struggles.
Bingo. Cam is the best in cfb as far as nfl offense goes
Posted on 1/12/15 at 6:10 am to Hoovertigah
The easiest way to eliminate this question is stop recruiting dual threat QB's, we don't need them, we need a "QB"
Posted on 1/12/15 at 6:23 am to Hurricane Mike
Truth!
Posted on 1/12/15 at 6:32 am to Mayhawman
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I think the question that should be answered is can they (LSU coaches) identify a QB talent in highs school that can develop as a div 1 QB.
quote:
RP ftw.
RP was the #1 player in louisiana, a 5* recruit, developed by jimbo fisher in 2005/2006.
Posted on 1/12/15 at 6:35 am to Hoovertigah
Dual threats have had a lot of success in NCAAF. 3 of the 4 teams in the playoff had dual threat Qbs and the other had a guy who was considered one out of high school.
Posted on 1/12/15 at 6:36 am to Hoovertigah
It looks like we will find out this season.
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