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re: Cam Cameron's career, quarterbacks, and the running game
Posted on 10/6/15 at 12:46 pm to trooploop
Posted on 10/6/15 at 12:46 pm to trooploop
Randle El is sort of an outlier because he is such a different type of qb, but those guys were successful in the vertical scheme. However, Brees has been far more efficient since he's been with the Saints, Flacco actually improved and won a Super Bowl, Rivers is about the same. And we saw Mett have success with it. A lot of those guys fit the same skill set and they are nothing like the qbs Cam has recruited. You make him out to be a guru, yet we can't even field a top 100 passing team in D1 football. You just have to be better than 26 or so teams and we can't accomplish that. This guy gets paid 1.5 million dollars....I don't see a return for that steep investment. There are plenty of offensive minds that can take advantage and adapt a game plan tailored to their qb for half the price all over the country. Professional experience like he has should show up without even having to look for it. It's hard to even catch a glimpse of it. We don't work through progressions, read defenses, adjust routes to zones. We don't do anything in the passing game that resembles advanced knowledge or awareness of those respective positions. I'm happy that he has put some guys in the Pro Bowl, but. I don't think his system utilizes our athletes and. I don't believe he trusts in his players at this level to make decisions and learn the position.
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Posted on 10/6/15 at 12:49 pm to TigerRagAndrew
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Let's be clear....Cam got fired and then the Ravens went on to win the Super Bowl.
Here's a little bit more perspective on the Baltimore situation. Cam had been under a lot of heat the year prior (2011). The defense wasn't getting any younger and there was concerns about Flacco and the offense getting them over the top. In the AFC title game they put up 398 yards against New England, converted 9-of-17 on third down, and had TOP of 33:33. Flacco was 22-36 with 306 with 2 TDs and 1 INT. Lee Evans literally dropped a pass in the end zone that would have won the game. Here is the video. LINK
The next year, the pressure increased as they were inconsistent. They scored 44 in the opener, scored 31 and put up 503 against New England in game three (Cam had as much success against Belichick as any other coach, but were held to 176 yards against Houston. They were just really inconsistent and Cam was responsible.
Cam was fired after the Redskins game, a game in which they scored 28 points. Flacco threw three touchdowns on 21 pass attempts in that game. They bogged down in the fourth and overtime and Cam got fired. One month earlier they put up 55 points against the Raiders. This wasn't an offense that was inept. Cam got axed, Bryant McKinnie got inserted in the starting lineup, Todd Heap returned from injury, Jim Caldwell did a great job, and they got hot.
The puzzle that Cam could never solve when he was in Baltimore was the Steelers. He had really good success against nearly everyone. Dick Lebeau owned him more often than not.
Posted on 10/6/15 at 1:02 pm to Rex
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All this to say, we have a very good offensive coordinator.
Despite all your typing, no, we don't. The object of the game is to outscore your opponent while entertaining your fans, not to have the league's leading rusher.
If Rex says it, it must be true....
/facepalm
Posted on 10/6/15 at 1:05 pm to LSUANDY25
quote:there is absolutely nothing to suggest that cameron has just forgotten how to call a successful game. this makes me question your intelligence
I am no longer as confident in his abilities and skills
quote:sorry but, this is a dumb, unreasonable statement. in the sec (and the nfl), the top opponents cameron faces are essentially equal in talent. some better, some worse, but very very close. the top sec teams have coaching staffs that are equally capable to any other. the games are decided by luck, officiating, weather, team chemistry, player execution, injuries and scheduling. fans always, always oversimplify the game of football. what distinguishes one coach/staff from another is how many games they win. cameron has been on the winning team more than just about anybody.
Seems to me that he is a good OC when he has the superior talent
quote:depends on the circumstances i just listed above.
How difficult is it to move the ball when
quote:there is absolutely nothing to suggest that cameron is not excellent. nothing at all.
The bottom line is that we may or may not have an excellent OC.
quote:no it is not. he could totally tank the rest of the season, quit the profession and still have had a stellar career
The jury is still out
quote:is not God. he's wrong sometimes.
John Harbaugh
quote:or if you're just tired of working with someone. or if you just made a rash decision. lots of other reasons for this.
Thats tough to do unless you are close to 100% convinced
quote:fans have no idea whether playcalling is good or not. i've beaten this topic to death over the years. the passing game is not puzzling. the receivers are dropping the ball and there have been penalties on big passing plays. change that and harris has very respectable stats.
The play calling and the development of a passing game is puzzling
quote:if lsu didn't do this with 7 on the team, people like you would complain.
Hand/pitch it to LF up the middle 25-30 times
quote:you must not like winning. lsu had it's worst season since '99 last year and STILL won 8 games in the brutal sec west. get some perspective.
Do we have to pay 1.3 million a yr to watch the game plan be
Posted on 10/6/15 at 1:10 pm to CajunAlum Tiger Fan
quote:yes, you're right. cam just walked into the lsu offices and made no college adjustment at all. in fact, 2013 didn't really happen and mett didn't lead the nation in passes completed beyond 10 yards.
It seems like Cam hasn't made enough of an adjustment in coaching between college and NFL athletes
quote:sophisticated? you must not have listened to hawkins call the emu game. he talked repeatedly about how lsu was operating out of a simple i formation. there wasn't anything sophisticated about it.
a sophisticated approach
quote:you mean the team that already has one of the best offenses in the nation? there are 2 problems and neither are directly related to cameron or harris; drops and penalties. players are not doing what they're supposed to do and it's all about motivation. the 2nd half of the season will show whether they get their head on right or if they're just lazy.
if this team can learn to execute this offense
Posted on 10/6/15 at 1:17 pm to easy money
quote:hang on, that's not exactly what happened. if you believe that, no wonder you're misinformed. have you not seen all the stats that have been posted in this thread?
Cam got fired and then the Ravens went on to win the Super Bowl
quote:I cannot understand why lsu fans act like 2013 NEVER HAPPENED. it is the strangest psychological phenomenon on the rant.
The scheme doesn't work as far as developing an effective passing offense
quote:last year was on jennings. this year has been an improvement and it's not harris' or cameron's fault. receivers know they are supposed to catch. they know they are supposed to get separation. players know they are not supposed to commit penalties.
this year and last
quote:this makes absolutely no sense and does not reflect cameron's career at all
He's a qb coach with a system that is not qb friendly at all.
Posted on 10/6/15 at 1:24 pm to easy money
quote:herein lies the oversimplification i constantly point out. lsu is not looking to field a statistically impressive offense. lsu is looking TO WIN. that requires consideration of all 3 phases of the game and miles is better than anyone not named saban in this regard. the guy knows how to manage a game considering all 3 phases and win tons of games. a statistically balanced offense is not always called for and is not at the top of miles' priorities.
yet we can't even field a top 100 passing team in D1 football. You just have to be better than 26 or so teams and we can't accomplish that. This guy gets paid 1.5 million dollars....I don't see a return for that steep investment
quote:what do you think cameron's career suggests? the guy is just a winner and is very effective everywhere he goes.
Professional experience like he has should show up without even having to look for it.
quote:you have no idea what offense is about if you believe this.
We don't do anything in the passing game that resembles advanced knowledge or awareness of those respective positions
quote:you mean other than propelling fournette to the forefront of the cfb consciousness? propelling obj and landry to amazing college and nfl careers?
I don't think his system utilizes our athletes
i swear you people just don't even connect with reality
Posted on 10/6/15 at 1:26 pm to trooploop
quote:people act like harbaugh firing cameron wasn't a headscratcher. they just assume that cameron must suck.
Cam got fired
Posted on 10/6/15 at 1:33 pm to bfniii
bfniii, Whatever.... and is the name calling necessary?
Whats your point anyway? U seem to like to call people out but not say a word?
I dont guess you consider dead last in the SEC in passing and 5th from the bottom in the NCAA in passing nothing at all. Somehow this is a measurement of excellence. Ok Gotcha.
"Harbaugh could be wrong" ...
but he did win the Super Bowl that year. U go ahead and call him wrong, thats your choice. "He is not god"... do tell.....
And u want to call other people names?
LOL.... Just stop.....
Whats your point anyway? U seem to like to call people out but not say a word?
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The bottom line is that we may or may not have an excellent OC.
there is absolutely nothing to suggest that cameron is not excellent. nothing at all.
I dont guess you consider dead last in the SEC in passing and 5th from the bottom in the NCAA in passing nothing at all. Somehow this is a measurement of excellence. Ok Gotcha.
"Harbaugh could be wrong" ...
but he did win the Super Bowl that year. U go ahead and call him wrong, thats your choice. "He is not god"... do tell.....
And u want to call other people names?
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i swear you people just don't even connect with reality
LOL.... Just stop.....
This post was edited on 10/6/15 at 1:37 pm
Posted on 10/6/15 at 1:38 pm to bfniii
So you are happy with the production of the passing game as a compliment to our running game? Because you believe Cam did a good job in 2013 that's good enough (although 6th best offense in SEC and we saw what those guys did in different systems in the NFL)?
Also, I was referring to utilizing our athletes in the passing game as a compliment to our running game. Obviously, we understand the identity of the team is running the football and nobody is complaining about Fournette getting the rock.
Let's face this, it may look better than last year, but it's not good enough yet. It's not good enough for our players and coaches to be satisfied, so it shouldn't be enough for you either.
Also, I was referring to utilizing our athletes in the passing game as a compliment to our running game. Obviously, we understand the identity of the team is running the football and nobody is complaining about Fournette getting the rock.
Let's face this, it may look better than last year, but it's not good enough yet. It's not good enough for our players and coaches to be satisfied, so it shouldn't be enough for you either.
Posted on 10/6/15 at 1:41 pm to Rex
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Football is not about entertainment?
What a generic meaningless question meant to crawfish back from an idiotic statement.
Posted on 10/6/15 at 1:44 pm to bfniii
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people act like harbaugh firing cameron wasn't a headscratcher.
Here's another one of those headscratchers as u call em.
Team A has one of the Best OL in the game.
Team A has a very very good running back and running game, which it had before there was a change at OC.
Team A has a 4* EE QB with a gu n and is very elusive in his second yr under OC.
Team A has the number 1 High School reciever in his 2nd yr along with 3-4 other NFL WR's.
Team A is 123rd in the nation in passing the football....
Dont think too hard about this.
Posted on 10/6/15 at 1:45 pm to bfniii
LSU's winning percentage under Les Miles but before Cam Cameron: 80%
LSU's winning percentage under Les Miles and Cam Cameron: 73%
LSU's scoring average per game under Les Miles but before Cam Cameron: 32 ppg
LSU's scoring average per game under Les Miles and Cam Cameron: 32 ppg, when the mean average for all of college football has risen substantially over the time Les first came aboard.
Where is the greatness you sunshine salesmen see?
LSU's winning percentage under Les Miles and Cam Cameron: 73%
LSU's scoring average per game under Les Miles but before Cam Cameron: 32 ppg
LSU's scoring average per game under Les Miles and Cam Cameron: 32 ppg, when the mean average for all of college football has risen substantially over the time Les first came aboard.
Where is the greatness you sunshine salesmen see?
Posted on 10/6/15 at 1:47 pm to trooploop
have the br radio guys interviewed randle el about cam's offense yet?
Posted on 10/6/15 at 1:50 pm to bfniii
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there are 2 problems and neither are directly related to cameron or harris; drops and penalties. players are not doing what they're supposed to do and it's all about motivation. the 2nd half of the season will show whether they get their head on right or if they're just lazy.
Thanks for proving my point. Execution is the problem.
Posted on 10/6/15 at 1:51 pm to moneyg
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What a generic meaningless question meant to crawfish back from an idiotic statement.
I can't help it if you can't parse simple English.
As I said, the object of the game is to outscore your opponents while entertaining your fans, the entire raison d'etre of holding college football contests in Tiger Stadium and elsewhere.
Do you know the difference between the conjunctions "and" and "while"?
Posted on 10/6/15 at 1:57 pm to LSUANDY25
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hen LSU moves the ball against a good defense consistently or can just design a play where a WR is wide open 12-15 yards downfield on a capable defense, Im going to reserve favorable comments toward the OC.
this has happened, multiple times, just not as many times as you would like.
Posted on 10/6/15 at 2:01 pm to easy money
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(although 6th best offense in SEC and we saw what those guys did in different systems in the NFL)?
This is a very ignorant statement. Jennings played the majority of the second half against every cupcake and started an entire game. Les refuses to run up the score. If he had like tamu against rice and fricking Lamar, the rank of the offense would have been much higher.
Posted on 10/6/15 at 2:01 pm to S
So why did Cameron keep getting fired?
Attitude Queen?
Bull shite Artist?
Perhaps the athletic talent on the field far surpassed his coaching ability.
If you substitute Marty Schottenheimer for Les Miles you have the exact offensive scheme in San Diego.
So is it Cam Cameron's offense?
Attitude Queen?
Bull shite Artist?
Perhaps the athletic talent on the field far surpassed his coaching ability.
If you substitute Marty Schottenheimer for Les Miles you have the exact offensive scheme in San Diego.
So is it Cam Cameron's offense?
Posted on 10/6/15 at 2:02 pm to trooploop
What I got out of this thread is that outside of Les, REX is the most hated person on this board.
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