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re: BOOOOM Les tells it like it is
Posted on 10/19/11 at 7:40 pm to drizztiger
Posted on 10/19/11 at 7:40 pm to drizztiger
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LSU is on major probation right now
no we're not
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Posted on 10/19/11 at 7:40 pm to drizztiger
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you can't whitewash EVERYTHING
Drizztiger, that is the problem with the reports today. You claim LSU is whitewashing something. BUT THEY ARE NOT. They are going through the disciplinary process as they have always done. A process that got the NCAA's praise.
Posted on 10/19/11 at 7:41 pm to The312
I hope Les does not end up like Jimmy Johnson at THUG U.
Posted on 10/19/11 at 7:43 pm to Klingler7
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I hope Les does not end up like Jimmy Johnson at THUG U.
Wait. Les is going to Miami?
Posted on 10/19/11 at 7:44 pm to The312
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I agree he can't monitor them perpetually, much like a parent can't watch their children in every moment of their lives. That's why it is so critical to imbue young people with proper discipline and intelligence, so that they make good decisions in those instances where they are are left to their own devices. Part of Miles job is to promote that discipline and intelligence in his players.
my father and stepfather are two of the greatest men i've ever met and amazing parents. but i've done shite in my life that would make the players mentioned look like choir boys. that takes nothing away from my dad and stepdad because i made those choices...on my own...free will and shite.
Posted on 10/19/11 at 7:44 pm to DEG
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Wait. Les is going to Miami?
Miles to the U. You heard it here first!!
Posted on 10/19/11 at 7:48 pm to The312
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re: BOOOOM Les tells it like it is (Posted on 10/19/11 at 7:39 p.m. to Choctaw) quote: because he's a coach...not a frickin' babysitter. people make mistakes...he can't watch them constantly I agree he can't monitor them perpetually, much like a parent can't watch their children in every moment of their lives. That's why it is so critical to imbue young people with proper discipline and intelligence, so that they make good decisions in those instances where they are are left to their own devices. Part of Miles job is to promote that discipline and intelligence in his players. I think everyone can agree that it would have been best for this program not to lose Ware, Mathieu, and Simon as a result of failed drug tests. I think everyone can agree that it would have been best if those three had shown foresight and discipline by refraining from drug use. Unfortunately, that didn't happen. "The national perception is that LSU is a drunken giant right now, capable of destruction but not orderly or intentional destruction." - DeltaDoc
If they haven't learned self discipline, good values, and proper behavior before they went off to college, then they aren't going to learn those things. That was their parents job to teach, not the coach. Even kids from the best families, schools, and coaches make their own bad decisions.
Good for Miles for doing the responsible thing even though it affects on field play. He is a good coach and a man of integrity.
Posted on 10/19/11 at 7:50 pm to geaux from largo
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geaux from largo
Well said.
Posted on 10/19/11 at 7:51 pm to Choctaw
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my father and stepfather are two of the greatest men i've ever met and amazing parents. but i've done shite in my life that would make the players mentioned look like choir boys. that takes nothing away from my dad and stepdad because i made those choices...on my own...free will and shite.
Excellent post. People act as if a coach must watch these kids 24/7 and if one gets in trouble, it's the coaches fault. Completely irrational and unfair to the coach.
If like someone to find a program in the country that doesn't have in-house problems like these. I dare someone to say Alabama
Posted on 10/19/11 at 7:51 pm to Choctaw
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my father and stepfather are two of the greatest men i've ever met and amazing parents. but i've done shite in my life that would make the players mentioned look like choir boys. that takes nothing away from my dad and stepdad because i made those choices...on my own...free will and shite.
One of the most insightful and spot on things I've ever seen on the Rant.
kudos bro
Posted on 10/19/11 at 7:56 pm to Choctaw
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my father and stepfather are two of the greatest men i've ever met and amazing parents. but i've done shite in my life that would make the players mentioned look like choir boys. that takes nothing away from my dad and stepdad because i made those choices...on my own...free will and shite.
Posted on 10/19/11 at 7:57 pm to The312
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I entirely agree with this definition of his role. But the real question is, if he is fulfilling that role, why have we suffered two major disciplinayr snafus that have resulted in the suspension of four starters?
He can't babysit 100 players in 40 or 50 different places every day. This shite started when the NCAA outlawed athletic dorms. All Les can do is treat these kids like adults and expect them to act responsibly. It's not HIS fault if they can't live up to that expectation. He is only at fault when he fails to discipline them after the fact to set an ongoing example for other players.
Posted on 10/19/11 at 7:58 pm to Choctaw
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my father and stepfather are two of the greatest men i've ever met and amazing parents. but i've done shite in my life that would make the players mentioned look like choir boys. that takes nothing away from my dad and stepdad because i made those choices...on my own...free will and shite.
This might be an availing argument if we were talking about one isolated act by a single player, but alas, it isn't so. This season has witnesed a pattern of poor decisions by LSU players. Rusell Shepard foolishly decided to violate the NCAA's gag order on interview questions. The various players who put themselves in a position to partake in a violent brawl mere weeks before the season made poor decisions. JJ made a poor decision when he decided to intervene and when he (apparently) committed battery. And now we have not one, not two, but three starters using drugs in the midst of a national championship run. Four starters have been suspended as a result of off-field issues in the last three months.
Now matter how much you wish it were so, you simply cannot insulate the head coach from any and all responsibility for such repeated actions. Is it ENTIRELY the coach's fault? Of course not. But is it PARTIALLY the coach's failing? Of course. Even Les Miles himself would admit that he is repsonsible for instilling discipline in his team. Have the intellectual integrity to concede the same.
This post was edited on 10/19/11 at 8:00 pm
Posted on 10/19/11 at 7:58 pm to The312
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people make mistakes...
Misbehaving is intentional. It is not a "mistake".
Posted on 10/19/11 at 8:02 pm to The312
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This might be an availing argument if we were talking about one isolated act by a single player, but alas, it isn't so. This season has witnesed a pattern of poor decisions by LSU players. Rusell Shepard foolishly decided to violate the NCAA's gag order on interview questions. The various players who put themselves in a position to partake in a violent brawl mere weeks before the season made poor decisions. JJ made a poor decision when he decided to intervene and when he (apparently) committed battery. And now we have not one, not two, but three starters using drugs in the midst of a national championship run. Four starters have been suspended as a result of off-field issues in the last three months.
he's been here 7 years. this isn't an issue no matter how bad you want it to be. and you completely missed the whole point of my post.
Posted on 10/19/11 at 8:06 pm to Choctaw
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this isn't an issue no matter how bad you want it to be. and you completely missed the whole point of my post.
It is certainly an issue THIS season, as demonstrated by four suspended starters and multiple arrests. YOu can't ignore the facts.
No, I didn't miss your point. I refuted it. You appeared to be arguing that Miles should be insulated from all responsibility for the disciplinary problems this season because the players have "free will" and are therefore exclusively and solely responsible for their own actions. Simply not so. The players are responsibile, but Miles has a duty to instill discipline and intelligence in his team so that they exercise their free will responsibily whne they are alone. It's a shared culpability. Miles would be the first to admit team discipline was his responsibility. IN fact, he said JUST that after he Shady incident.
Posted on 10/19/11 at 8:08 pm to The312
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The312
It's blatantly obvious that you want these things to be true. Why? Why do you insist on blaming absolutely everything on Miles? You've been doing it all day. No one is going to take the bait.
Sad, really.
Posted on 10/19/11 at 8:17 pm to 44jason
quote:I meant the fans, not LSU.
You claim LSU is whitewashing something. BUT THEY ARE NOT. They are going through the disciplinary process as they have always done. A process that got the NCAA's praise.
Regardless, I am reserving any judgment.
But the 4 instances I named can't be simply glossed over at will.
Posted on 10/19/11 at 8:23 pm to Prominentwon
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It's blatantly obvious that you want these things to be true. Why? Why do you insist on blaming absolutely everything on Miles? You've been doing it all day. No one is going to take the bait.
Sad, really.
What "things" do I want to be true? The team did in fact get involved in a brawl, JJ has been charged with a battery, he did miss four games, Shep did get suspended for violating NCAA rules, the program is on probation, and now three starters have been suspended for failing drug tests. My wishes have nothing to do with it. I assure you, if I had my way, NONE of those things would have happened. Not one. That's what I want.
As for blaming "everything" on Miles, I just explicitly stated that he was only partially responsible for this. But make no mistake, he is partially responsible. He's the head coach. All aspects of the program are ultimately his responsibility. That's why he is paid millions of dollars. Miles himself has said this. It's not a controversial proposition. When things go right in a program, the HC justifiably gets credit. When they go wrong, he justifiably gets the blame.
What I absolutely cannot stand, what arouses my ire each and every time I encouter them, are dogmatic sycophants who mindlessly want to (a) give Miles credit when the players peform well on or off the field; and simultaneously (b) insulate him from the onus of responsibility when those same players perform poorly on or off the field. That viewpoint is abjectly inconsistent, hypocritical, irrational, and just plain stupid. That's sad.
Posted on 10/19/11 at 8:34 pm to drizztiger
drizztiger, the way this thing was leaked actually does not let us know if what was reported is even true. Think about it. Les said the process wasn't complete. What if another test is given to these players and it comes back negative? Think about all the things that have been said because of a Leak/Gossip. When the confirmed, authenticated truth comes out, LSU will proceed appropriately. That is the track record.
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