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re: Bobby Hebert on LSU
Posted on 10/12/09 at 6:36 pm to Doc Fenton
Posted on 10/12/09 at 6:36 pm to Doc Fenton
it seems like JJ drops back so far after the play fake that LSU's tackles think they are blocking the DE's behind JJ but in fact the are leading them straight to him and since he never steps up in the pocket it results in a sack. i'm no expert, just a casual observation
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Posted on 10/12/09 at 6:37 pm to wil
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Example-the triple option has 2 other parts that we never use-a pass or a hand off to a back other than the pitch back. It helps keep the safeties and cornerbacks honest. I've never seen us do either.
Good point!
I've been saying this all season! Plus if the opposing team’s linebackers/linemen have to pause for one split second (because of a misdirection, or the threat of the pass or even Shep god forbid handing the ball off to trendon) then trendon, shep, or KW will be by them and into the secondary in a flash.
This team has the talent, just lacks ingenuity in play calling. The coaching should be set up to compliment the players, not the other way around! And this has been happening for some time now,,, and it's unfortunate!
Coaching Sucks on Offense!!!
Posted on 10/12/09 at 6:37 pm to CaliforniaTiger
It is hard for the defense to guess which play is coming when we have an empty backfield. Maybe they could keep a running back in the backfield to help JJ stay on his feet instead of his back.
Posted on 10/12/09 at 6:38 pm to tigermoney
What play fakes are you talking about? If it's a fake draw to Scott out of the shotgun formation with no TEs, that's not really what I mean by play action.
Posted on 10/12/09 at 6:39 pm to RagingStiff
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Does he mention T-Bob at all?
Do you think he should castigate his son in front of a national radio audience?
Posted on 10/12/09 at 6:40 pm to Doc Fenton
they've run a few play actions out of the I, no?
Posted on 10/12/09 at 6:43 pm to tigermoney
Yeah, a few. And those have been LSU's only successful deep passes of the season. Besides the "let Toliver juke his man in the flats" play, it's pretty much the only pass play that has worked for LSU this year.
LSU did it once in the 1st quarter, and it worked. LSU did it against MSU a couple of times, and it worked. LSU should probably do it for at least 75% of its pass plays, given how bad the other ones are doing.
LSU did it once in the 1st quarter, and it worked. LSU did it against MSU a couple of times, and it worked. LSU should probably do it for at least 75% of its pass plays, given how bad the other ones are doing.
Posted on 10/12/09 at 6:48 pm to GeauxChil
Or how about this. FL lined up with Tebow and 2 running backs frequently. So, let's line up with Scott at fullback, KW at half back, Dixon and Lafell on the option side. Randle or Tolliver on the other side. And now let's really run the triple option. You want to load the middle up for Scott-we'll we're going outside. You want to commit your linebackers to the run-then Dixon will eat you alive on short routes. You want to commit your safeties to the run, then have fun covering our wide receivers one-on-one. And if we do plow Scott up the middle, I think he'll do better when the defense doesn't know he's coming.
All those plays won't succeed, but, with our talent, it gives the defense a lot to think about. You're right-the offensive coaching ain't too hot this year.
All those plays won't succeed, but, with our talent, it gives the defense a lot to think about. You're right-the offensive coaching ain't too hot this year.
Posted on 10/12/09 at 6:49 pm to Doc Fenton
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Instead, the Tigers prefer to pass out of bullshite formations like the "pistol."
Pistol is a very good formation.
Posted on 10/12/09 at 6:54 pm to bmy
Well, then I guess you are in agreement with Gary Crowton on that one.
Posted on 10/12/09 at 6:56 pm to Hootie
Opening it up doesn't even have to be a pass. As I've been saying where are the misdirection plays...end around...reverses...counter option....QB draw...counter pitch to RB in the backfield not on an option play, etc. That doesn't even include the misdirections on passes like faking to one side and throwing quickly to the other...screen passes...flair passes, etc.
Posted on 10/12/09 at 6:58 pm to Doc Fenton
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Pistol is a very good formation.
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Well, then I guess you are in agreement with Gary Crowton on that one.
This is not helpful. It's like saying "The I is a good formation" or "4 WR shotgun is a good formation." There's really no such thing. It depends on what you do with it. For Texas Tech, the 4 WR shotgun is a really good formation. They'd probably suck if they tried to use the I.
Chris Ault at Nevada, and to a lesser extent the guy at Alabama, have had success with the pistol. LSU has not. That does't say anything about whether it's a "good" formation.
Posted on 10/12/09 at 6:58 pm to bmy
Except the way we use it this year, we might as well put one to our offenses head.
Posted on 10/12/09 at 6:59 pm to wil
Lots of teams are still able to run the ball without a good passing attack. In fact, most teams in college football don't have a good passing game. You STILL should be able to run the ball against the likes of Vandy and MSU and ULL without a passing game...even if they put more in the box. You zone block and then the RB needs to break through the first tackler and then he has no one else left since they put 8 in the line to begin with. You see a lot of big gainers on 3rd and 1 from the 40 or so by teams.
This post was edited on 10/12/09 at 7:05 pm
Posted on 10/12/09 at 7:01 pm to Cold Cous Cous
Well, it's not a good formation for LSU. The coaches don't know how to run it, how to get the QB to move properly in it, how to get the QB to read defenses and receivers properly in it, how to get the OTs to block properly in it, etc.
With our personnel, it's a bad formation.
With our personnel, it's a bad formation.
Posted on 10/12/09 at 7:08 pm to CaliforniaTiger
can't figure out why they keep running the option to the short side of the field. They always seem to run out of real estate. 
Posted on 10/12/09 at 7:08 pm to Revelator
"Do you think he should castigate his son in front of a national radio audience?" I have watched the game twice and I concentrated on T- Bobs blocking on a lot of plays and he is not the problem with the line. Ciron misses blocks and the right guard gets beat quite often. So why are people trying to single out the center? T-Bob is constantly making blocks downfield. He is not laying around on the field somewhere he is playing ball. He got called once for a false start. How many times did one of our Srs. line up off sides?
Posted on 10/12/09 at 7:10 pm to rickyh
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I have watched the game twice and I concentrated on T- Bobs blocking on a lot of plays and he is not the problem with the line.
Thank you. I have no idea what the deal is with people and Hebert.
Posted on 10/12/09 at 7:13 pm to Doc Fenton
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it seems like JJ drops back so far after the play fake that LSU's tackles think they are blocking the DE's behind JJ but in fact the are leading them straight to him and since he never steps up in the pocket it results in a sack. i'm no expert, just a casual observation
I think this is a good observation. I kept thinking we were letting the DEs come up to set up the screen but that wasn't the case until late in the 4th QTR
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