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Beyond merely stupid- stupid to the 10th power.
Posted on 1/1/13 at 4:24 pm
Posted on 1/1/13 at 4:24 pm
You have a 2-point lead.
You have the ball.
Two minutes remain.
Get 2 first downs, run out the clock, & you win the game.
Go 3 & out, & they will come back at you with one of the country's better fg kickers.
What do you do?
Throw on 1st & 10, catch them off guard, & pick up 8 yds- good idea.
On 2d & 2 you can run, but instead you PASS again?!!!
Then you make the same mistake on 3d & 2?!!!
You are beyond stupid.
You have the ball.
Two minutes remain.
Get 2 first downs, run out the clock, & you win the game.
Go 3 & out, & they will come back at you with one of the country's better fg kickers.
What do you do?
Throw on 1st & 10, catch them off guard, & pick up 8 yds- good idea.
On 2d & 2 you can run, but instead you PASS again?!!!
Then you make the same mistake on 3d & 2?!!!
You are beyond stupid.
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Posted on 1/1/13 at 4:24 pm to chasseur4
SCOOP!
Posted on 1/1/13 at 4:27 pm to chasseur4
It appears to me that for important decisions late in games, Miles has not foresight into what the plan might be if the call fails in order to try and right the ship and achieve the immediate goal.
The 2nd and 2 is a prime example of that in last night's game. Miles made a gutsy call on 1st that was successful. My question is for 2nd down. The first down call was unexpected and so was the second down call, but a failure on second down has more consequences since you'd now have only one more chance to make the first, whereas a failure on first down, you would have two. Also, and I'm not sure what the statistics are, but on first and 10, I'd expect for there to be a lower percentage chance of converting a first down before calling a play than on 2nd and 2. The successful play on first almost takes away the uncertainty of getting a first down and allows for low risk plays that have a solid chance of gaining those necessary 2 yards.
It seems to me that some of these types of considerations should be going through Miles mind before making his play-calling decisions. I think a better representation of Miles' apparent lack of foresight would be against Tennessee when he ran Jefferson with no timeouts and appeared to have no play ready to run in case the previous call was unsuccessful, which it was. This makes even less sense under the circumstances with having plenty of time to run two passing plays, or even a passing play and then a run if that play is not successful. Although I'm not a coach, this type of thought process seems very intuitive and necessary in this situation and it baffles me that Miles appears to lack meaningful insight in these critical situations.
The 2nd and 2 is a prime example of that in last night's game. Miles made a gutsy call on 1st that was successful. My question is for 2nd down. The first down call was unexpected and so was the second down call, but a failure on second down has more consequences since you'd now have only one more chance to make the first, whereas a failure on first down, you would have two. Also, and I'm not sure what the statistics are, but on first and 10, I'd expect for there to be a lower percentage chance of converting a first down before calling a play than on 2nd and 2. The successful play on first almost takes away the uncertainty of getting a first down and allows for low risk plays that have a solid chance of gaining those necessary 2 yards.
It seems to me that some of these types of considerations should be going through Miles mind before making his play-calling decisions. I think a better representation of Miles' apparent lack of foresight would be against Tennessee when he ran Jefferson with no timeouts and appeared to have no play ready to run in case the previous call was unsuccessful, which it was. This makes even less sense under the circumstances with having plenty of time to run two passing plays, or even a passing play and then a run if that play is not successful. Although I'm not a coach, this type of thought process seems very intuitive and necessary in this situation and it baffles me that Miles appears to lack meaningful insight in these critical situations.
Posted on 1/1/13 at 4:29 pm to chasseur4
LSU has some stupid coaches and some players that did not execute at all (vadal)
Posted on 1/1/13 at 4:31 pm to chasseur4
quote:
On 2d & 2 you can run, but instead you PASS again?!!!
Was the play open or not?
Posted on 1/1/13 at 4:31 pm to chasseur4
quote:Does this pattern sound anything like what led to this season's last 40 seconds loss to Alabama?
You have a 2-point lead.
You have the ball.
Two minutes remain.
Get 2 first downs, run out the clock, & you win the game.
Go 3 & out, & they will come back at you with one of the country's better fg kickers.
What do you do?
Throw on 1st & 10, catch them off guard, & pick up 8 yds- good idea.
On 2d & 2 you can run, but instead you PASS again?!!!
Then you make the same mistake on 3d & 2?!!!
You are beyond stupid.
Posted on 1/1/13 at 4:34 pm to JawjaTigah
LSU should demand better.
The pros answer to the team owner. If pro, we'd have a coaching change.
Here, who does Miles answer to? Who will demand better?
The pros answer to the team owner. If pro, we'd have a coaching change.
Here, who does Miles answer to? Who will demand better?
Posted on 1/1/13 at 4:34 pm to JawjaTigah
How is this clown our coach? How could we give him a pay raise and extension after what he did in the NC game? How long are we going to settle for his stupidity?
Posted on 1/1/13 at 4:35 pm to JawjaTigah
quote:
Although I'm not a coach, this type of thought process seems very intuitive and necessary in this situation and it baffles me that Miles appears to lack meaningful insight in these critical situations.
It is simple. Miles is not bright. Listen to him try to speak. Look at his decisions under pressure. The game moves too fast for him.
Posted on 1/1/13 at 4:35 pm to JawjaTigah
quote:Key word: "pattern"
Does this pattern sound anything like what led to this season's last 40 seconds loss to Alabama?
Posted on 1/1/13 at 4:36 pm to TheDoc
Mett checked ut of the run call on 2nd down, evidently. He had run/pass option on 3rd, and tried to pass..
This post was edited on 1/1/13 at 4:57 pm
Posted on 1/1/13 at 4:38 pm to LSUGrad1978
quote:And who is LSU's AD giving out these raises/extensions and tolerating this stupidity? Joe Alleva? Yes, that's him.
How could we give him a pay raise and extension after what he did in the NC game? How long are we going to settle for his stupidity?
Step one: Fire the AD.
Step two: Hire a real football AD.
Step three: New AD demand changes from football HC.
Step four: No changes come? Fire said HC and find a new one.
Posted on 1/1/13 at 4:51 pm to JawjaTigah
quote:Look at it this way: Your 9 year old will be driving when this happens.
Fire said HC and find a new one.
Posted on 1/1/13 at 4:55 pm to tigerpawl
quote:Ain't got no 9 year old. I do have a 32, 31, and 29 year old. And two grandsons, 4 months and 6 months, respectively. But your point is well-taken. And maybe one or both of them will be driving and even in college before that last thing I wrote happens.
Look at it this way: Your 9 year old will be driving when this happens.
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