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re: BEN SIMMONS - Proof. The best overall season in SEC history
Posted on 2/12/16 at 7:11 am to drizztiger
Posted on 2/12/16 at 7:11 am to drizztiger
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Pistol Pete never even made the NCAAT.
Then no way he can be the greatest ever as some have said....correct? Hell we went 14-12 and 13-13 his first two seasons. And if you think the SEC is bad now, let me introduce you to the mostly white SEC basketball of the 60's. So he must not really have been all that good. I mean that's the logic right? He did have 18 turnovers one game. How can the greatest ever turn the ball over 18 times in a game.
This post was edited on 2/12/16 at 7:43 am
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Posted on 2/12/16 at 7:39 am to Mie2cents
Obviously not SEC, but I thought an interesting comparison would be Chris Webber.
Chris Webber 2 final fours
fresh 15.2ppg 10.0 reb 55.6% fg
soph 19.2ppg 10.1 reb 61.9% fg
Chris Webber 2 final fours
fresh 15.2ppg 10.0 reb 55.6% fg
soph 19.2ppg 10.1 reb 61.9% fg
Posted on 2/12/16 at 8:09 am to lsu xman
Dude has Jalen Rose, Juwon Howard, Jimmy King, Ray Jackson.
Here is what everything boils down to. LSU is 15-9 and a bubble team so people think Simmons is overrated (by people I mean only ignorant LSU fans). Pete Maravich never sniffed a successful team season and he's one of the greatest players to ever live. Chris Jackson lost double digit games and got bounced early. Shaq never saw a sweet 16...yet they are legends at LSU and Ben is a D-League talent
Here is what everything boils down to. LSU is 15-9 and a bubble team so people think Simmons is overrated (by people I mean only ignorant LSU fans). Pete Maravich never sniffed a successful team season and he's one of the greatest players to ever live. Chris Jackson lost double digit games and got bounced early. Shaq never saw a sweet 16...yet they are legends at LSU and Ben is a D-League talent
Posted on 2/12/16 at 8:14 am to LSUButt
Last time I checked he was also in the Top 15 in the SEC in blocks.
Posted on 2/12/16 at 9:40 am to drizztiger
Simmons doesn't get the attention CJ or Shaq had for a few reasons:
1. CJ and Shaq played in the golden era of LSU basketball. Football was just starting it's early 90's decline and baseball was still a complete after thought in BR. If you were at LSU or in BR in the late 80's/early 90's you remember just how big LSU basketball used to be. To put it in perspective, it was the OU game nearly every night.
2. Simmons puts up great all around numbers, but he rarely has the "highlights" that we saw from CJ and Shaq. Jackson was must watch TV. Any given night he could go for 40 or 50. He was fun to watch in an era where college basketball as a whole may have been at its peak. Shaq was a force of nature never seen before (or maybe since). A big, powerful man-child blocking everything and literally tearing down rims
Simmons does everything well. Unfortunately, today college basketball is looked at as just an inconvenient stepping stone to the NBA. You don't have those great rivalries between great players built to a crescendo over multiple years: Ralph Sampson v. Worthy, Jordan, etc for 2-3 years; Ewing vs. everyone in Big East; Danny Manning playing all 4 years at KU. Therefore college basketball has become an afterthought.
Jackson will always be the best player I ever saw in person, but Simmons is a very rare player. Unfortunately, unless he leads LSU to the Final Four, he won't be very prominent in the lore of SEC basketball history because he won't be here long enough to build that mystic at LSU.
1. CJ and Shaq played in the golden era of LSU basketball. Football was just starting it's early 90's decline and baseball was still a complete after thought in BR. If you were at LSU or in BR in the late 80's/early 90's you remember just how big LSU basketball used to be. To put it in perspective, it was the OU game nearly every night.
2. Simmons puts up great all around numbers, but he rarely has the "highlights" that we saw from CJ and Shaq. Jackson was must watch TV. Any given night he could go for 40 or 50. He was fun to watch in an era where college basketball as a whole may have been at its peak. Shaq was a force of nature never seen before (or maybe since). A big, powerful man-child blocking everything and literally tearing down rims
Simmons does everything well. Unfortunately, today college basketball is looked at as just an inconvenient stepping stone to the NBA. You don't have those great rivalries between great players built to a crescendo over multiple years: Ralph Sampson v. Worthy, Jordan, etc for 2-3 years; Ewing vs. everyone in Big East; Danny Manning playing all 4 years at KU. Therefore college basketball has become an afterthought.
Jackson will always be the best player I ever saw in person, but Simmons is a very rare player. Unfortunately, unless he leads LSU to the Final Four, he won't be very prominent in the lore of SEC basketball history because he won't be here long enough to build that mystic at LSU.
Posted on 2/12/16 at 10:08 am to Mie2cents
If that's the case, what a waste.
Posted on 2/12/16 at 10:13 am to Alt26
quote:
Simmons does everything well.
jump shot?
defense (sometimes)?
Posted on 2/12/16 at 10:23 am to atltiger6487
quote:
defense (sometimes)?
Simmons is an elite defender. Watch him battle for position on the block without fouling...he does it the whole damn game and rarely does he allow entry passes. Then his hands are second to none and he's averaging 1.8 steals a game, but creates easily at least 2 more a game that he doesn't get credit for. Everyone has mishaps on D sometimes, but he has had such little help, and he KNOWS he cannot get in foul trouble so he can't be as aggressive as he would like.
Posted on 2/12/16 at 10:59 am to Alt26
quote:Nailed it.
Simmons doesn't get the attention CJ or Shaq had for a few reasons:
1. CJ and Shaq played in the golden era of LSU basketball. Football was just starting it's early 90's decline and baseball was still a complete after thought in BR. If you were at LSU or in BR in the late 80's/early 90's you remember just how big LSU basketball used to be. To put it in perspective, it was the OU game nearly every night.
2. Simmons puts up great all around numbers, but he rarely has the "highlights" that we saw from CJ and Shaq. Jackson was must watch TV. Any given night he could go for 40 or 50. He was fun to watch in an era where college basketball as a whole may have been at its peak. Shaq was a force of nature never seen before (or maybe since). A big, powerful man-child blocking everything and literally tearing down rims
Simmons does everything well. Unfortunately, today college basketball is looked at as just an inconvenient stepping stone to the NBA. You don't have those great rivalries between great players built to a crescendo over multiple years: Ralph Sampson v. Worthy, Jordan, etc for 2-3 years; Ewing vs. everyone in Big East; Danny Manning playing all 4 years at KU. Therefore college basketball has become an afterthought.
Jackson will always be the best player I ever saw in person, but Simmons is a very rare player. Unfortunately, unless he leads LSU to the Final Four, he won't be very prominent in the lore of SEC basketball history because he won't be here long enough to build that mystic at LSU.
Posted on 2/12/16 at 11:14 am to ULSU
quote:
Somebody said he was a D League talent about 3 weeks ago here.
Hahah, seriously?
Posted on 2/12/16 at 1:06 pm to Mie2cents
Shaq lead the SEC in 4 categories; two years in a row.
Scoring, Rebounding, FG percentage and blocked shots. And he lead in the latter three all three seasons of his career. Bob Pettit also lead the league in most of these categories multiple times. Maravich and Jackson were fabulous. Outside of LSU, Bernard King and Dan Issel were super-stars. Anthony Davis was probably the best 1-hit wonder in SEC history. Ben Simmons is no doubt the best player in the SEC this season and one of the five best in the country. He'll find his final place historically based on which tournament his team makes it to in post-season along with his lofty stats.
Scoring, Rebounding, FG percentage and blocked shots. And he lead in the latter three all three seasons of his career. Bob Pettit also lead the league in most of these categories multiple times. Maravich and Jackson were fabulous. Outside of LSU, Bernard King and Dan Issel were super-stars. Anthony Davis was probably the best 1-hit wonder in SEC history. Ben Simmons is no doubt the best player in the SEC this season and one of the five best in the country. He'll find his final place historically based on which tournament his team makes it to in post-season along with his lofty stats.
Posted on 2/12/16 at 1:06 pm to 75helpmacpack
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Buddy Heild is the best player in college basketball...Simmons is next.
You have the first pick in the draft. You taking buddy over simmons?
Posted on 2/12/16 at 1:11 pm to Mie2cents
I believe he will be better as an NBA player than college. His game is made for that style. Very unselfish, which I think the nba desperately needs. He is always looking to get someone else involved.
Posted on 2/12/16 at 1:46 pm to drizztiger
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Pistol Pete never even made the NCAAT.
Yup. And during PP's three varsity seasons at LSU, the size of the NCAAT field was 23, 25 and 25 teams -- less than half what it is now. LSU making the NIT his senior season was a nice accomplishiment at the time, and not the consolation prize it now is.
Posted on 2/13/16 at 7:03 pm to Palm Beach Tiger
2 separate issues.....
Posted on 2/13/16 at 9:42 pm to Mie2cents
come on....different time, different era. no one can match the Pistol of Chris Jackson.
Posted on 2/13/16 at 9:45 pm to el gato
what was LSUs record before the Pistol? he made LSU a good place to play ball
Posted on 2/13/16 at 9:49 pm to Mie2cents
Ben Simmons reminds me of a better John William. A big man who could handle the ball and play with his back to the basket; however, he just doesn't control a game the way Chris Jackson or Shaq or Maravich did.
Posted on 2/13/16 at 9:49 pm to Mie2cents
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NOBODY in the history of the SEC has ever finished a season in the top 10 in all 5 of of these categories
He has had a very nice season... BUT I just wonder how much better he could have been had he NOT disapeared at certain times.. Just like today. He basically did nothing the last 12 ins...
Posted on 2/14/16 at 8:54 am to Mie2cents
He's a guaranteed double double on a bad day.
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