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re: been a week since Florida, still no decision from the SEC
Posted on 10/13/16 at 1:49 pm to SouthEndzoneTiger
Posted on 10/13/16 at 1:49 pm to SouthEndzoneTiger
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This "rule change" doesn't fix the problem if a game is canceled. So why make this rule change?
It certainly would correct the unearned advantage Florida would have if they win out, and Tennessee finishes 6-2 (using the current winning percentage method).
Posted on 10/13/16 at 2:09 pm to Clockwatcher68
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It certainly would correct the unearned advantage Florida would have if they win out, and Tennessee finishes 6-2 (using the current winning percentage method).
It most certainly does not. It fixes problem if a game is canceled between 2 teams in opposite divisions. But not if the 2 teams are in the same division.
Posted on 10/13/16 at 2:14 pm to SouthEndzoneTiger
quote:one rule obviously isnt gonna fix every problem in CFB, especially ones they arent designed for, so im really not sure where youre going with this.
It most certainly does not. It fixes problem if a game is canceled between 2 teams in opposite divisions. But not if the 2 teams are in the same division.
division winners should be based on division games. thats it. the rule is long overdue anyway, this is the perfect chance to implement it.
Posted on 10/13/16 at 2:17 pm to Indiana Tiger
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Sankey lost control of the situation when he didn't force the game to be played.
100% correct. There was no reason the game didn't get played Saturday, Sunday, or Monday and when he delayed pulling the trigger, he shite in the bed.
And when Gary crapped on his player safety BS on national TV, that plan was dead in the water.
If Joe was respected or had some SEC pull, we might have got the game in. After his clusterfricks since last November, LSU is dead in the water too. God help us when that clown tries to hire the next coach.
Posted on 10/13/16 at 2:20 pm to MastrShake
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division winners should be based on division games. thats it.
Absolutely not. This would essentially create two small conferences. If we do this, then we should be playing each other twice.
Posted on 10/13/16 at 2:22 pm to MastrShake
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one rule obviously isnt gonna fix every problem in CFB, especially ones they arent designed for, so im really not sure where youre going with this.
division winners should be based on division games. thats it. the rule is long overdue anyway, this is the perfect chance to implement it.
Wrong, that's just wrong. In general, using only division records (when all games are played) to decide a division is ridiculous. It would be like letting the Saints go 6-10, but 6-0 in the south, and win the division. With this rule, Team A could go 5-3 overall in the conference and 5-1 in the West, and win out over Team B who went 6-2 overall, 4-2 in the West, but beat Team A. That's stupid.
And even if you made it just when there was a cancellation, it doesn't work all the time. What if Ole Miss and LSU had to cancel next year? Alabam could finish 5-1 in the West and LSU could finish 4-1. And here we go again, same problem. So why make a stupid rule that doesn't fix it?
Here's the rule that fixes it: to win a division you must have the highest winning percentage AND be a full game ahead of the 2nd place team, otherwise head to head decides the division champion. Now stop entertaining stupid ideas.
This post was edited on 10/13/16 at 2:25 pm
Posted on 10/13/16 at 2:23 pm to Indiana Tiger
quote:but thats why we have a SECCG, and SEC games are still the first option with tie-breakers so they still count
Absolutely not. This would essentially create two small conferences.
This post was edited on 10/13/16 at 2:26 pm
Posted on 10/13/16 at 2:28 pm to MastrShake
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its fair, it hurts no one and helps no one
Very true, and clearly the simplest solution, given the circumstances (a suspended inter-divisional game that's not going to be played).
Take care of your own business against the other six teams in your division and you're good.
This post was edited on 10/13/16 at 2:30 pm
Posted on 10/13/16 at 2:28 pm to MastrShake
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but thats why we have a SECCG, and SEC games are still the first option with tie-breakers so they still count
Other conferences bitch that we're too chicken shite to play more than 8 conf games and now you want to take two away. What happens when we expand and add divisions? Do we do the silly Saints example above?
Posted on 10/13/16 at 2:50 pm to SouthEndzoneTiger
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It fixes problem if a game is canceled between 2 teams in opposite divisions
...which is exactly the problem I referred to
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It certainly would correct the unearned advantage Florida would have if they win out, and Tennessee finishes 6-2 (using the current winning percentage method).
I don't really see a need to make this a lasting rule change, because as you point out, it would not cover all scenarios. Or, you could leave it in place for cancelled games across divisions only.
This post was edited on 10/13/16 at 2:59 pm
Posted on 10/13/16 at 2:57 pm to Clockwatcher68
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I don't really see a need to make this a lasting rule change, because as you point out, it would not cover all scenarios. Or, you could leave it in place for cancelled games across divisions only.
I'm thinking the SEC already looks foolish for having a rule in place that "doesn't cover everything". I further think the SEC will look foolish for changing a rule in mid season, because of aforementioned lack of forethought. I even furthermore think the SEC will look downright stupid for changing a rule in mid season to fix a problem it shouldn't have to fix, AND that fix still doesn't cover this happening again in the future. Am I the only one who sees this? I think I am. Very frustrating.
Posted on 10/13/16 at 3:01 pm to SouthEndzoneTiger
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I'm thinking the SEC already looks foolish for having a rule in place that "doesn't cover everything". I further think the SEC will look foolish for changing a rule in mid season, because of aforementioned lack of forethought. I even furthermore think the SEC will look downright stupid for changing a rule in mid season to fix a problem it shouldn't have to fix, AND that fix still doesn't cover this happening again in the future. Am I the only one who sees this? I think I am. Very frustrating
They probably would look even more foolish than they do now. I'm not sure I know what their best play is at this point. If ends up not impacting LSU, I'm not sure I care if they do anything.
Posted on 10/13/16 at 3:06 pm to Clockwatcher68
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They probably would look even more foolish than they do now. I'm not sure I know what their best play is at this point. If ends up not impacting LSU, I'm not sure I care if they do anything.
Right. Well, I think this offseason they need to fix it. I think I like the idea of the division winner having to have a full game lead over the 2nd place team. If it's less than a full game (like Alabama 7-1, LSU 6-1) or (Florida 6-1, Tennessee 6-2), then it resorts to head to head. This fixes every possible scenario. Even the far fetched possibility of a game ending in a tie. Some crazy game that goes into 8 OTs and then bad weather comes, so the commissioner has to declare a tie. The division record ideas just don't work.
Posted on 10/13/16 at 3:09 pm to SouthEndzoneTiger
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I think I like the idea of the division winner having to have a full game lead over the 2nd place team. If it's less than a full game (like Alabama 7-1, LSU 6-1) or (Florida 6-1, Tennessee 6-2), then it resorts to head to head. This fixes every possible scenario. Even the far fetched possibility of a game ending in a tie.
That's actually pretty good. Email Sankey.
Posted on 10/13/16 at 3:12 pm to Clockwatcher68
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That's actually pretty good. Email Sankey.
I think Sankey's inbox is already overloaded.
Posted on 10/13/16 at 3:14 pm to MastrShake
SEC Decision---->Indecision=No game
Posted on 10/13/16 at 3:14 pm to Indiana Tiger
quote:but i dont give a shite what other conferences think.
Other conferences bitch that we're too chicken shite to play more than 8 conf games and now you want to take two away
quote:no because it doesnt matter.
Do we do the silly Saints example above?
lets pretend LSU went 6-0 in the west but lost every other game. theyd still be outside the top 20 and nowhere near the playoff. this is not the NFL, we dont advance just because we won the division.
Posted on 10/13/16 at 3:16 pm to MastrShake
We'll all find something out by January.
Posted on 10/13/16 at 3:18 pm to SouthEndzoneTiger
quote:thats fine with me too. the only real point is the SEC needs to make some kind of rule change that addresses the very obvious problem we might have on the very near horizon.
I think I like the idea of the division winner having to have a full game lead over the 2nd place team. If it's less than a full game (like Alabama 7-1, LSU 6-1) or (Florida 6-1, Tennessee 6-2), then it resorts to head to head. This fixes every possible scenario. Even the far fetched possibility of a game ending in a tie.
and they need to do it before saturday, before we get any deeper into SEC play so everyone understands where they are.
Posted on 10/13/16 at 3:22 pm to MastrShake
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the only real point is the SEC needs to make some kind of rule change that addresses the very obvious problem we might have on the very near horizon.
and they need to do it before saturday, before we get any deeper into SEC play so everyone understands where they are.
I sure would love that too. I wonder and worry about the legalities of changing a rule mid-season though. Not sure how that would work. Can you imagine when Sankey informed Alabama that they are no longer West Champs because he is changing the rule? Saban's head might pop off. I would love it!!!!!! Sankey doesn't have the balls though. Oh, and he would have to inform Foley as well, that Tennessee is back in front.
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