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re: Be careful about how you talk about the players
Posted on 9/14/16 at 8:40 am to bgtiger
Posted on 9/14/16 at 8:40 am to bgtiger
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the pressure
1. the continuous physical force exerted on or against an object by something in contact with it
2. the use of persuasion, influence or intimidation to make someone do something
I think the pressure he feels comes from with in, to perform, to be looked up to, to be put on a pedestal. Some times we are unable to reach our goals, the need to assess ourselves on a frequent basis must be done, address our short comings and adjust our goals.
IMO, BH is not capable of handling the big moments, the stress and the pressure is to great at this moment in time. He must reevaluate himself as we all do at different periods in our lives.
Don't put yourself out there if you cant take being shot down (figuratively speaking that is). He will either grow or regress from this experience, my hope is he will grow.
My fiddy cents worth and it wont even buy you a cup of coffee.
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Posted on 9/14/16 at 8:45 am to jptiger2009
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I guarantee you that ISIS says the same to their recruits. Just sayin'...
I think that's the point. We don't want to be ISIS
Posted on 9/14/16 at 8:47 am to TriumphTiger
Conveniently enough, what is and is not allowed is covered in the FAQ's readily available to everyone who uses this site:
It's been there for quite a long time.
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5. DO NOT engage in baseless criticism of LSU athletes, coaches, administrators or recruits. Legitimate evaluation of a player's performance or a coach’s ability is allowed, but personal attacks and insults are prohibited.
It's been there for quite a long time.
Posted on 9/14/16 at 8:47 am to bgtiger
The pressure of millions of dollars to the company I work for and everything I own home, cars, way of life is what I have at stake. That trumps 100,000 strangers and a game all day everyday. The point is right or wrong it comes with the territory at LSU, Florida, Alabama, or any other big time program. How you handle the adversity is what defines you either you fight through it and overcome or you don't and get passed up. To me his statements on twitter are irrelevant don't matter IMO. His actions here forward are what will be telling. Go to work try to keep getting better or go into a shell. Which will it be? Or transfer either way I wish him success whether it's with LSU in the future or somewhere else.
Posted on 9/14/16 at 8:48 am to TriumphTiger
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I'm not saying we can't be critical, make jokes, etc., just remember that there are 18-22yo LSU players reading this board, Twitter, etc. These guys are out there busting their asses every day to be the best they can.
Dude, you do realize that this "kid" is over the age of 18 and has been making "grown up" decisions for some time now, right?? I am in my 20s so calling him a kid is actually an insult from my point of view because I wouldn't want other dudes calling me a frickin kid lol
The only way I would understand any of the sympathy for an athlete is if they were playing high school football. THOSE are kids not a 20 year old that lives in a college dorm and plays for LSU.
It's super simple. You will compete all of your life to get better at various things including your job, your home, and your life. In particular, football is a team/internal competition of who is the better athlete for their specific position. If you are not competing at a higher level than the guy that is trailing your coat tail, then I nor anyone should feel bad for you because that is just the way it goes and the best players should get on the field. Plain and simple.
TL;DR 20 year olds are not "kids" & competition wins
This post was edited on 9/14/16 at 8:52 am
Posted on 9/14/16 at 8:49 am to TriumphTiger
You'd think the people who are so critical of the maturity level and mental toughness of Harris would have the maturity level and mental toughness to keep the majority of these personal or baseless comments to themselves. 
Posted on 9/14/16 at 8:50 am to TriumphTiger
It's pretty sad really. Les and Cam fricked this up
Posted on 9/14/16 at 9:03 am to sandraccoon
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TL;DR 20 year olds are not "kids" & competition wins
I think many of you are missing the point. This isn't about feeling bad for Harris because he lost the starting job. It's about having a little sympathy considering what he's going through on the outside and how it affects him on the inside.
The other issue I have is all the comments that are essentially "welcome to the real world." Nothing about this situation is anywhere close to the real world. The average 20 year old doesn't have his career flame out in front of 70k of his supporters and 900k people watching from home. The average 20 year old doesn't walk away to a chorus of boos from those "supporters", get death threats because of his performance, have national television shows criticize his performance, wade through baseless insults on social media, etc.
Do I wish he would have handled this better in public? Yes, certainly. Does it change the fact that I'm sympathetic to what he has to deal with as a result of failing on such a large and public stage despite his best efforts to win for the team we all love? No, no it does not.
Posted on 9/14/16 at 9:05 am to TriumphTiger
Agree....good point
Posted on 9/14/16 at 9:08 am to slackster
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The other issue I have is all the comments that are essentially "welcome to the real world." Nothing about this situation is anywhere close to the real world. The average 20 year old doesn't have his career flame out in front of 70k of his supporters and 900k people watching from home. The average 20 year old doesn't walk away to a chorus of boos from those "supporters", get death threats because of his performance, have national television shows criticize his performance, wade through baseless insults on social media, etc.
That is the route he chose in life knowing the consequences of failure. I took an easier route in my career knowing the mediocre highs and average lows but that was MY choice as is HIS choice to go to LSU
Posted on 9/14/16 at 9:10 am to TigerFanNKaty
I appreciate your post, and I agree with most of it.
The only thing I disagree with is the comparison of being a college Qb and everyday business responsibilities.
They aren't comparable.
Not in the way that BH is being scrutinized. I'm sure your attitude at work is not always your best, yet you don't get lambasted publicly by people who don't know your job or can't do your job.
You are absolutely correct in your statement about his job not being comparable to the pressures of raising a family and advancing at work.
The only thing I disagree with is the comparison of being a college Qb and everyday business responsibilities.
They aren't comparable.
Not in the way that BH is being scrutinized. I'm sure your attitude at work is not always your best, yet you don't get lambasted publicly by people who don't know your job or can't do your job.
You are absolutely correct in your statement about his job not being comparable to the pressures of raising a family and advancing at work.
This post was edited on 9/14/16 at 9:11 am
Posted on 9/14/16 at 9:12 am to bgtiger
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Not in the way that BH is being scrutinized. I'm sure your attitude at work is not always your best, yet you don't get lambasted publicly by people who don't know your job or can't do your job.
That's just it though. He CHOSE that route knowing all of the potential outcomes and this is merely one of them
Posted on 9/14/16 at 9:18 am to sandraccoon
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That is the route he chose in life knowing the consequences of failure. I took an easier route in my career knowing the mediocre highs and average lows but that was MY choice as is HIS choice to go to LSU
Bull. shite.
You would choose his route 100 times out of 100 if given the opportunity. Let's not act like you weighed the pros and cons of being the starting QB at LSU and chose to go a different route because of the potential pitfalls of being the QB.
Posted on 9/14/16 at 9:20 am to sandraccoon
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That is the route he chose in life knowing the consequences of failure.
But WHY is that the consequences of failure for that route? This keeps being trotted out as if it's just the way it is rather than the way WE make it. do fans have no responsibility here for it being this way? Could we simply STOP being complete fricking tools and support the players that chose our school?
For me, this isn't a question of whether it's like that or not...it is. It's whether or not it has to STAY that way. I'm arguing that it doesn't have to remain the status quo. We could, in unison, decide to NOT be assholes to our own players. We really could. Will you guys join me on that?
The problem is, too many LIKE being assholes and then turn around and argue it's just the way it is, rather than it's that way because of their own behavior.
Posted on 9/14/16 at 9:22 am to sandraccoon
I doubt he chose LSU because he thought that he would be "toughened up" by people over social media. I'm sure he chose LSU for the same reasons most fans chose LSU. It is his home state school, LSU is a winning football school, and it's fun to be in Tiger Stadium on a Saturday night with the whole state pulling for one common goal.
Instead, he doesn't play well (he knows this) ,is booed off the field, and is no being portrayed as a loser, poor leader, and malcontent over two small actions.
Instead, he doesn't play well (he knows this) ,is booed off the field, and is no being portrayed as a loser, poor leader, and malcontent over two small actions.
Posted on 9/14/16 at 9:24 am to GeauxTigerTM
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The problem is, too many LIKE being assholes and then turn around and argue it's just the way it is, rather than it's that way because of their own behavior.
This
Posted on 9/14/16 at 9:27 am to bgtiger
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Post your real name TaderSalad, you are getting a free ride on TD, and I think you should be held accountable by all of us for subpar posts.
Some of us might know that you are a slacker at your job, the one you actually get paid for, and may need to publicly rake you over the coals for it.
His real name is Ron White, and IMO he's pretty good at his real job. That's JMHO though.
Posted on 9/14/16 at 9:27 am to TigerFanNKaty
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The pressure of millions of dollars to the company I work for and everything I own home, cars, way of life is what I have at stake. That trumps 100,000 strangers and a game all day everyday. The point is right or wrong it comes with the territory at LSU, Florida, Alabama, or any other big time program. How you handle the adversity is what defines you either you fight through it and overcome or you don't and get passed up. To me his statements on twitter are irrelevant don't matter IMO. His actions here forward are what will be telling. Go to work try to keep getting better or go into a shell. Which will it be? Or transfer either way I wish him success whether it's with LSU in the future or somewhere else.
This is a reasonable approach. If we are going to say it comes with the territory, as you did, then we must also give him a little leeway to screw up under that pressure and see how he responds, as you mentioned in the last few sentences. We all have moments that we should have handled better, and we hope not to be defined by those moments. Giving Harris that same courtesy seems reasonable.
Posted on 9/14/16 at 9:33 am to slackster
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Bull. shite.
You would choose his route 100 times out of 100 if given the opportunity. Let's not act like you weighed the pros and cons of being the starting QB at LSU and chose to go a different route because of the potential pitfalls of being the QB.
Actually, no I would not. I do not want health problems when I am older from taking violent hits on the football field.
Posted on 9/14/16 at 9:34 am to GeauxTigerTM
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But WHY is that the consequences of failure for that route? This keeps being trotted out as if it's just the way it is rather than the way WE make it. do fans have no responsibility here for it being this way? Could we simply STOP being complete fricking tools and support the players that chose our school?
For me, this isn't a question of whether it's like that or not...it is. It's whether or not it has to STAY that way. I'm arguing that it doesn't have to remain the status quo. We could, in unison, decide to NOT be assholes to our own players. We really could. Will you guys join me on that?
The problem is, too many LIKE being assholes and then turn around and argue it's just the way it is, rather than it's that way because of their own behavior.
I said the same thing yesterday. People excuse being an a-hole by saying "well, that's life" as if there is no alternative. They act as though they've got an obligation to be an a-hole because some other unrelated person was an a-hole to them at one point.
There is a distinct difference between being coddled and being compassionate. Telling Harris it is okay to handle things the way he has would be coddling him. Telling Harris the way he handled things is inappropriate but he has our support to pull through would be compassionate. Too many people fail to understand the difference and opt for being a complete dick to make sure no one thinks they're coddling him.
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