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Posted on 12/8/11 at 9:41 am to AlxTgr
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Don't act like there is a Websters definition. See other posts in this thread. It's not a playoff. If it were, it would be called.....a playoff.
Have you ever heard a +1 talked about involving only 3 teams or even one team with a bye waiting on a winner of another game? This is the first time I have ever heard a +1 described this way.
Posted on 12/8/11 at 9:41 am to junkfunky
quote:That's not entirely accurate.
Either way, no one is sitting at home while games are being played.
Posted on 12/8/11 at 9:41 am to Jdawgz
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The only time it works is when 2 teams go undefeated,
The only time it is NEEDED is when it is not obvious.
Of course, the fanbase of the left-out team is going to remember / hurt more than others. So what?
I'm not really worried about soothing hurt feelings. I actually LIKE all the conversation / controversy.
I like football for entertainment. I am entertained. AND, I believe it gets it right in ALMOST every case. I can't really ask for more.
I like the fact that the OSU v Iowa State game made a tremendous difference. Otherwise, OSU just shrugs it off and moves on.
Posted on 12/8/11 at 9:42 am to Jimbeaux
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Double crunching? That doesn't sound better in any way!
So having Okie St play Bama in a bowl and then crunching the numbers is not better than what is happening now ?
Posted on 12/8/11 at 9:42 am to MountainTiger
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That's not a +1. That's a +2
That's only one more game, not two.
Posted on 12/8/11 at 9:43 am to Jimbeaux
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If we had a +1 system this year (aka, a 4 team playoff), who would have been chosen? LSU, Bama, Okie St., and ... Stanford? Va Tech? Boise St? (an undefeated Houston, if they had won?), (a one loss Oregon, if they had won?). There would still be the need for the BCS poll system, with coaches pimping for their school, coaches manipulating their votes, Harris voters being dumbasses, ESPN pimping for their favorite high profile teams, and super-secret computer polls that are super-retarded.
This is why the only way to get a "True" National Champion is a 16 team playoff.
That way you are guaranteed 3-5 teams to be in that probably don't deserve to be considered, but you get the top 8-10 that do deserve it and a couple that deserve it but don't have the record to normally get a look.
Out of a 16 team playoff, a true champion emerges. Nothing short of that is practically fair.
Posted on 12/8/11 at 9:44 am to junkfunky
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That's only one more game, not two.
I count 3 games: 1-4, 2-3, then the championship. That's 2 extra games.
Posted on 12/8/11 at 9:44 am to AlxTgr
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That's not entirely accurate.
How so? Seriously, I've never heard of anyone talk about byes under a +1 system. Without knowing anything else about this proposed system it sounds retarded, but I can't say for sure without actually seeing it laid out.
Posted on 12/8/11 at 9:45 am to Uncle Stu
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Clemson (ACC) vs WVA (Big East) - Orange
LSU (SEC) vs Stanford (At-Large) - Sugar
Okie St (Big 12) vs Alabama (At-Large) - Fiesta
Oregon (Pac 12) vs Wisconsin (Big 10) - Rose
We already beat three of those teams.
So instead of 1 rematch you want TWO?
Insanity!
Posted on 12/8/11 at 9:45 am to SG_Geaux
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yeah, I was under the impression everyone plays in their bowl game (nobody "sits out") then there is one more game between 1 & 2 as the BCS rankings stand after all the bowl games
I would be fine with this system.
Suppose an undefeated LSU played a one loss Okie State, and won in the bowl game, and a one loss Bama played a two loss Oregon in a different bowl game and LOST?
Should LSU have to play another game against a two loss Oregon? If so, how is that scenario any different than what we have now? Especially, if Oregon's selection in the bowl was contentious?
Posted on 12/8/11 at 9:46 am to Jimbeaux
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Double crunching? That doesn't sound better in any way!
no...if we return to conference affiliations with bowls, technically, the BCS ranks really dont matter much when it comes to the big 4 bowl games...that was just a likely scenario. I wouldnt limit my range of available teams to just those 4 bowls...if by somehow the winner of the Cotton Bowl ended up as the #2 team in the country, bring 'em on.
Posted on 12/8/11 at 9:46 am to !Tiger
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So instead of 1 rematch you want TWO?
How could there be 2? There would still be 1 more game.
Posted on 12/8/11 at 9:47 am to junkfunky
Wow.... Just Wow. Just read through this thread and the ignorance expressed in this thread is simply astounding even for the Rant!
First off nothing is decided as of yet officially so what situation is next year is not set. I would say the most likely outcome is a +1 but apparently many here haven't a clue what that even means.
First off nothing is decided as of yet officially so what situation is next year is not set. I would say the most likely outcome is a +1 but apparently many here haven't a clue what that even means.
Posted on 12/8/11 at 9:47 am to !Tiger
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We already beat three of those teams.
So instead of 1 rematch you want TWO?
Insanity!
There's almost no scenario you can conceive of that's not something of an injustice to a SOLE undefeated team, especially one that is responsible for at least one of the one loss teams' losses.
Posted on 12/8/11 at 9:48 am to junkfunky
quote:Mark May has talked about it since the day all the undefeateds lost. He says LSU sits.
How so? Seriously, I've never heard of anyone talk about byes under a +1 system. Without knowing anything else about this proposed system it sounds retarded, but I can't say for sure without actually seeing it laid out.
Posted on 12/8/11 at 9:48 am to MountainTiger
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I count 3 games: 1-4, 2-3, then the championship. That's 2 extra games.
It's about taking 2-4 existing bowl games and then adding 1 for all the marbles. You aren't adding 2 extra games you are just adding 1 extra game to the existing games.
Posted on 12/8/11 at 9:48 am to !Tiger
quote:
Clemson (ACC) vs WVA (Big East) - Orange
LSU (SEC) vs Stanford (At-Large) - Sugar
Okie St (Big 12) vs Alabama (At-Large) - Fiesta
Oregon (Pac 12) vs Wisconsin (Big 10) - Rose
We already beat three of those teams.
So instead of 1 rematch you want TWO?
Insanity!
Better yet, how about a +0 game?
WVA, LSU, Bama and Oregon win those games.
LSU already skunked them all. No game needed.
Crystal Ball.
Posted on 12/8/11 at 9:50 am to Debaser
If logistical concerns were not an issue (say, Jerryworld is reserved the weekend following conference championship games), then I would make a play-in game conditional.
For instance, if the gap between #2 and #3 is X pts or less, then they play in a play-in game to face #1. In a scenario like 2005, though, there is no need to have a play-in game. So basically, you are fighting to reach #2 still, but if your lead is tiny like Bama's this year, then you play for the right to play for the title. If you are #2 with a big enough lead over #3, you are in regardless.
For instance, if the gap between #2 and #3 is X pts or less, then they play in a play-in game to face #1. In a scenario like 2005, though, there is no need to have a play-in game. So basically, you are fighting to reach #2 still, but if your lead is tiny like Bama's this year, then you play for the right to play for the title. If you are #2 with a big enough lead over #3, you are in regardless.
Posted on 12/8/11 at 9:50 am to AlxTgr
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Mark May has talked about it since the day all the undefeateds lost. He says LSU sits.
You don't happen to have a link do you? I don't doubt MM has some idea where there is a bye in a +1, I just haven't seen/heard of it.
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