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re: Batting lineup needs tweaking
Posted on 6/7/16 at 9:33 am to RB10
Posted on 6/7/16 at 9:33 am to RB10
quote:
You don't like it and I get that. However, it's worked, as evidenced by LSU's lead-off hitter only having 2 fewer RBI than the 3 hole. Not to mention the 2 hole, which traditionally is used to move runners, not score them, having 30+ RBi as well.
Guess what. You can get the same effect by, wait for it, having that guy bat ahead of your RBI producers. He gets more ABs and everyone drives in more runs. That's how lineup construction works.
They've run the numbers. "Second leadoff" (which doesn't even make sense as a term) is complete bullshite.
This post was edited on 6/7/16 at 9:34 am
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Posted on 6/7/16 at 9:33 am to Bayoufightingtiger
My only issue is that there is no pressure to hit 9th. There is a ton of pressure to hit lead off. LSU has struggled with it the last few years. I dont see why you would change that NOW. Freeman is seeing the ball well. He would be the last one that I would move.
Duplantis has been doing well as a leadoff hitter
4-7 is what need tweaking.
Duplantis has been doing well as a leadoff hitter
4-7 is what need tweaking.
Posted on 6/7/16 at 9:35 am to therick711
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You can get the same effect by, wait for it, having that guy bat ahead of your RBI producers. He gets more ABs and everyone drives in more runs
You put Freeman in the 8 hole and they pitch around him to get to Pap, rather than pitching to him to try and avoid Duplantis with runners on.
That, actually, is how lineup construction works.
Posted on 6/7/16 at 9:35 am to Bayoufightingtiger
Didn't Pap walk the first time and Freeman ended the inning with bases loaded.
Posted on 6/7/16 at 9:36 am to RB10
I understand our leadoff batter has alot or RBI's because of this. In that case, then why do you want Pap 8th? Put a better on base percentage guy in the 9th spot then so Duplantis could get even more RBI opportunities. The leadoff guy is suppose to get on base period. Driving in runs in for the 3,4 and 5 guys. No reason to recreate the wheel. Bottom line, you want your best hitters to have the most at bats throughout the year. Freeman batting 9th does not allow this to happen.
Posted on 6/7/16 at 9:37 am to RB10
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You put Freeman in the 8 hole and they pitch around him to get to Pap, rather than pitching to him to try and avoid Duplantis with runners on.
That, actually, is how lineup construction works.
Them walking one of our best basestealers is an incredible side effect of great lineup construction, cochise.
I love it when people justify getting a better hitter less at bats than a worse one when the numbers don't even support it then smugly continue to argue that it is sound baseball strategy.
This post was edited on 6/7/16 at 9:38 am
Posted on 6/7/16 at 9:37 am to Bayoufightingtiger
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I understand our leadoff batter has alot or RBI's because of this. In that case, then why do you want Pap 8th?
I just explained why in my post above. Enjoy.
Posted on 6/7/16 at 9:38 am to Bayoufightingtiger
Hindsight is great, I'm sure if they could have predicted that Pap would be up w/ the bases loaded twice they would have put one of the Jordan's, Romero, Robinson.... in that position.
I do not disagree with the idea that Freeman should be batting earlier in the line-up; however, I have never been a fan of having your worst batter in the 9 hole. He essentially kills innings before the top of your line-up gets to the plate. Plus, Pap had been doing pretty decent until last night.
I think what's killing us right now is we have too many cold bats too close in the line-up. Romero, Deichmann, Jordan & Pap were all batting within 5 spots and have all been inconsistent at best the past few weeks. There has to be a way to shake that up, and if PM thinks Wofford is batting better than Jordan, then why isn't he in the DH spot instead of Romero?
I do not disagree with the idea that Freeman should be batting earlier in the line-up; however, I have never been a fan of having your worst batter in the 9 hole. He essentially kills innings before the top of your line-up gets to the plate. Plus, Pap had been doing pretty decent until last night.
I think what's killing us right now is we have too many cold bats too close in the line-up. Romero, Deichmann, Jordan & Pap were all batting within 5 spots and have all been inconsistent at best the past few weeks. There has to be a way to shake that up, and if PM thinks Wofford is batting better than Jordan, then why isn't he in the DH spot instead of Romero?
Posted on 6/7/16 at 9:38 am to Bayoufightingtiger
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Bottom line, you want your best hitters to have the most at bats throughout the year. Freeman batting 9th does not allow this to happen.
So you do want to move Freeman to the top of the lineup. FWIW, moving Freeman from the 9-hole to the 8-hole would result in maybe 5 more AB over an entire season.
Posted on 6/7/16 at 9:38 am to RB10
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I just explained why in my post above. Enjoy.
No you didn't. Your "explanation" doesn't make sense and is subject to confirmation bias. We don't know what the alternative looks like and you claimed victory. That's senseless.
Posted on 6/7/16 at 9:39 am to therick711
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Them walking one of our best basestealers is an incredible side effect of great lineup construction, cochise
Stealing bases is great and all, but when you have a .210 hitter trying to drive him in it becomes less advantageous.
Keep telling me how protecting a hitter is a bad idea. I'll keep laughing at you.
Posted on 6/7/16 at 9:40 am to therick711
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No you didn't. Your "explanation" doesn't make sense and is subject to confirmation bias. We don't know what the alternative looks like and you claimed victory. That's senseless.
Protecting hitters makes zero sense?
Right.
Posted on 6/7/16 at 9:41 am to RB10
No one cares what you do. You're flat out wrong. Putting Pap 8th is a stupid deployment, period.
Posted on 6/7/16 at 9:42 am to therick711
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No one cares what you do. You're flat out wrong. Putting Pap 8th is a stupid deployment, period.
Says the guy claiming protecting one of your 4 best hitters is meaningless.
You sure do like to act like you know what the frick you're talking about.
ETA: The whole point of base stealers is to put them in front of singles hitters, but I'm sure you knew that already. So, you move Freeman up to 8 you eliminate that with Pap behind him.
Next option is to move Freeman to the 6 hole, which is optimal, if your lineup fits it. The problem with that is one of the Jordan twins and Reid will be behind him, followed by Pap. Reid fits the bill, the Jordans twins not so much. So again, you eliminate the base stealing threat.
Having him in the 9 hole, with the way this lineup is constructed, puts him directly ahead of the 3 best hitters, including the two best singles hitters.
But, seeing as you're the expert, I'm sure you knew that already, right?
This post was edited on 6/7/16 at 9:56 am
Posted on 6/7/16 at 9:51 am to Bayoufightingtiger
Put in the possum! hehe
Posted on 6/7/16 at 9:52 am to RB10
Pap doesnt need to bat 8th.
1. Duplantis
2. Fraley
3. Robertson
4. Reid
5. Beau J.
6. Diechmann
7. Papierski
8. (DH) Bryce J.
9. Freeman
or
1. Duplantis
2. Fraley
3. Robertson
4. Romero (DH)
5. Diechmann
6. Beau J.
7. Papierski
8. Reid
9. Freeman
1. Duplantis
2. Fraley
3. Robertson
4. Reid
5. Beau J.
6. Diechmann
7. Papierski
8. (DH) Bryce J.
9. Freeman
or
1. Duplantis
2. Fraley
3. Robertson
4. Romero (DH)
5. Diechmann
6. Beau J.
7. Papierski
8. Reid
9. Freeman
Posted on 6/7/16 at 9:54 am to TIGER62
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we are facing better pitching in playoffs!!!
So, UV and Rice have better pitching than Florida, Vandy, Moo St & A&M?
Posted on 6/7/16 at 12:08 pm to UpToPar
It would be 4 or 5 more at bats than Pap would get. So yes I would like him to move up. It would of helped us last night tremendously.
Posted on 6/7/16 at 12:14 pm to UpToPar
Duplantis swung at ball 4 his first 2 plate appearances. He needs to be more patient.
And stop trying to steal with slow runners, it kills rallies.
Like the move putting Romero in for hitting until Bryce starts swinging better.
Teams go through hitting slumps, especially with men on base.
Hope they got that out their system and swing today like they are capable of doing.
Need a strong pitching performance today since Rice has gained some confidence hitting the last few games.
And stop trying to steal with slow runners, it kills rallies.
Like the move putting Romero in for hitting until Bryce starts swinging better.
Teams go through hitting slumps, especially with men on base.
Hope they got that out their system and swing today like they are capable of doing.
Need a strong pitching performance today since Rice has gained some confidence hitting the last few games.
Posted on 6/7/16 at 12:16 pm to Cadello
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Duplantis swung at ball 4 his first 2 plate appearances.
Also got screwed on a couple calls in both at bats. The strike zone was all over the place.
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