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re: Basketball: LSU 80, Marquette 81 | Final | Next: vs. NC State, Tues 4:30 PM
Posted on 11/24/15 at 8:10 am to Shalimar Sid
Posted on 11/24/15 at 8:10 am to Shalimar Sid
I'm not a basketball fan, but I just watched the clips on Simmons and he was very impressive. I just might start watching.
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Posted on 11/24/15 at 8:16 am to rilesrick
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He can't finish with his left hand.
He is LEFT handed.
Posted on 11/24/15 at 8:19 am to geauxtigers33
He shoots lefty but almost exclusively finishes around the rim with his right hand. It's very bazaar.
Posted on 11/24/15 at 8:21 am to quail man
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The offense looked like it had so little movement compared to Marquette's.
I noticed this too. Bunch of players just standing around. Very little player/ball movement. The last possession was just ugly.
Marquette is not a very good team. LSU's raw young talent can only go so far. JJ needs to make better play calling if he expects this team to make a run in March.
Posted on 11/24/15 at 8:26 am to whoisnickdoobs
Honestly our best offense this year to me is 4 guards and Simmons. Put the guards on the three point line and let Ben drive on his guy. If anyone collapses, dish. If no one comes, attack the basket.
It won't be a pretty offense like some of the pass-pass-pass-pass-pass-shoot types, but man that would be effective.
It won't be a pretty offense like some of the pass-pass-pass-pass-pass-shoot types, but man that would be effective.
This post was edited on 11/24/15 at 8:27 am
Posted on 11/24/15 at 8:26 am to SouthOfSouth
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He shoots lefty but almost exclusively finishes around the rim with his right hand. It's very bazaar.
Because most people take away his left side so he goes right and he has the ability to finish with it. He is good very good and he will develop a mid range jumper unfortunately for us it will probably be three years in the NBA.
Posted on 11/24/15 at 8:27 am to geauxtigers33
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Because most people take away his left side so he goes right and he has the ability to finish with it. He is good very good and he will develop a mid range jumper unfortunately for us it will probably be three years in the NBA.
Yep. It'll come to him but unquestionably he has struggled with his jump shot. I have been impressed with his FT shooting though. He's up over 81% right now. The stroke is nice.
Posted on 11/24/15 at 8:34 am to SouthOfSouth
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Honestly our best offense this year to me is 4 guards and Simmons.
What are we going to do on defense/rebounding? Any team with two decent big men would destroy us.
Posted on 11/24/15 at 8:52 am to SouthOfSouth
I don't see the NBA talent in Blakeney. He takes some poor shots. He may hit them in other games, but that still doesn't make them good shots to take. I don't see how he is nearly good enough to be a "one and done."
Coach Jones clearly can't coach a center very well. Individual talent development maybe, but utilizing one in a game plan, no. He is probably best with a mix of big guards and small forwards like he had at North Texas. That way the combination on the floor doesn't matter as much as they are all fairly interchangeable parts.
Simmons is obviously an NBA talent. Sampson impressed me. He seemed to just work harder than most.
For those who are saying "Wait for Victor", shouldn't Ben Simmons and the rest of the team be good enough to beat Marquette?
Coach Jones clearly can't coach a center very well. Individual talent development maybe, but utilizing one in a game plan, no. He is probably best with a mix of big guards and small forwards like he had at North Texas. That way the combination on the floor doesn't matter as much as they are all fairly interchangeable parts.
Simmons is obviously an NBA talent. Sampson impressed me. He seemed to just work harder than most.
For those who are saying "Wait for Victor", shouldn't Ben Simmons and the rest of the team be good enough to beat Marquette?
Posted on 11/24/15 at 8:57 am to whoisnickdoobs
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What are we going to do on defense/rebounding?
Any team with two decent big men would destroy us.
Looking at the box score you wonder "how in the hell did LSU lose this game?"
MU was only +3 in total rebounding (-6 in offensive rebounding); They were only +6 in points in the paint despite having a decided advantage there; LSU was +5 in second chance points; LSU also had the edge in FTs at 72% vs 58%; Finally, LSU was +10 in turnovers!!!!
The difference - Marquette was MUCH more efficient than LSU on the offensive end. They had 3 more FGs while taking 15 less shots. ~ 1/3 of LSU's FGA were 3's. Not surprising with a guard oriented line up, but unfortunately they didn't go down (30%). That was a game where you really missed Hornsby's consistency from deep (rarely does he have horrible shooting nights). Blakeney and Sampson were a combined 2/13 from deep. That's going to happen with young players. It would have been huge to have Hornsby there who you can almost book giving you at leas 2-4 3's a night. LSU also didn't exploit the TO advantage as much as you'd like. Only +5 in points off of TOs despite forcing 22 turnovers. They took some ill-advised shots
If Victor is the player everyone hopes he is, then you can start to clog up the lane a bit on defense. LSU isn't going to win many games in SEC play if Malone and Bridgewater are forced to play extended minutes.
Posted on 11/24/15 at 9:00 am to Alt26
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Looking at the box score you wonder "how in the hell did LSU lose this game?"
MU was only +3 in total rebounding (-6 in offensive rebounding); They were only +6 in points in the paint despite having a decided advantage there; LSU was +5 in second chance points; LSU also had the edge in FTs at 72% vs 58%; Finally, LSU was +10 in turnovers!!!!
Exactly. It has me really curious cause I feel like we are playing better than the score. Every time I feel that way...
Posted on 11/24/15 at 9:07 am to mmcgrath
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I don't see the NBA talent in Blakeney. He takes some poor shots. He may hit them in other games, but that still doesn't make them good shots to take. I don't see how he is nearly good enough to be a "one and done."
Blakeney had good looks. They just didn't go down. Quaterman actually took a lot of "bad shots". The difference is that he hit them.. It's one game. Blakeney is going to hit those looks more often than his misses them.
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Coach Jones clearly can't coach a center very well. Individual talent development maybe, but utilizing one in a game plan, no. He is probably best with a mix of big guards and small forwards like he had at North Texas. That way the combination on the floor doesn't matter as much as they are all fairly interchangeable parts.
LSU doesn't have a reliable Center. Malone is a net-negative on the court and Robinson is just too slow to be dominant right now. I'm not necessarily going to put that on Jones's coaching. They are playing now only because Victor is still ineligible.
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For those who are saying "Wait for Victor", shouldn't Ben Simmons and the rest of the team be good enough to beat Marquette?
Anyone who watches college basketball knew Marquette wasn't as "bad" as the novice fan thought they were. Plus, those guys came in with a big chip on their shoulder. You knew LSU was going to get their best effort and their strength (inside play) was LSU's weakness. If LSU knocks downs 4 more 3 pointers this is probably a 6-10 point win when it's all said and done. They didn't. That's what happens when you're a team that relies on the outside shot. Some nights they just aren't going to fall.
Posted on 11/24/15 at 6:42 pm to Tiger Ugly
quote:Well every basketball team loses a few puzzlers every season except for the top five coaches maybe. And despite the improvement in talent we still aren't on a par with a Kentucky or a Duke.
He's going to bring in the players but he's going to lose a few each year to lesser teams in puzzling fashion. Sure I'd rather have a coach who could both bring 'em in and out-scheme the opposing coach but that's rare. If given the choice I'd take the guy that could bring in the talent every time.
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It wasn't the coaching that made us miss wide open three pointers. It wasn't coaching that made us miss free throws.
But we were allowed to continue to settle for 3's early in the shot clock, that to me is coaching. And as for free throws we actually shot those pretty well last night. Ended over 70%.
What disappointed me the most was the defense. We just looked out of position defensively way too much both individually and as a team. Our footwork in guarding the dribbler seems to me to be poor too often. Lot's of work to do in that regard, something I had hoped the Australian trip would have helped with.
As for settling for three's, it is just a fact that we really don't have much of an offense without them. There is no Johnny O'Bryant to post up and throw the ball to (man would we be tough if we did). Everytime Ben posts up or drives to the basket the defense collapses around him and what is left? Postup three ball shooters. I do agree that Simmons should shoot more when he drives rather than pass but once he does the three will go up.
Yeah free throws weren't bad but when you talk about a one point game two more would have made a huge difference.
Yes it was troubling that we couldn't get more stops on Marquette but they did hit a bunch of long three's that they don't ordinarily make. I don't remember, did we play any zone?
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