re: Attrition under Miles at the OL position via injuries or transfers...

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Why don't you collect the data to dismiss that point?

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He doesn't have to. The way rhetoric and debate works is that if you put forward a point, you have the burden based on your staking of the ground for providing evidence. That's how it works. If your claim remains unsubstantiated, you are automatically wrong.

Cam Robinson has destroyed our fan base

btw, your claim in the OP that "Basically, under Miles' tenure, only FIVE guys (6 if you count Barksdale) could have been drafted due to injuries and transfers" is extremely slanted. You seem to be trying to make some point about Miles. This "6 out of 29" claim is just bogus.

You list 29 players INCLUDING ACTIVE PLAYERS who are not yet drafted but still healthy:

See below.

All of these guys either stayed at LSU (and were healthy enough to be considered for draft), or are still at LSU (and potentially will be healthy enough to be drafted):

Collins 5* (Starting. Will get drafted barring injury.)
T-Bob 4* (Not drafted)
Big Herm 4* (3rd round pick)
V Alexander 4* (Starting)
Andy Dodd 4* (Currently on roster)
Trai Turner 4* (Starting)
Josh Dworaczyk 4* (6 year player)
Greg Shaw 4* (Career backup. Undrafted)
Derek Edinburgh 4* (Current backup)
Elliot Porter 3* (Starting)
Jerald Hawkins 3* (Starting)
Jonah Austin 3* (Current backup)
Alex Hurst 3* (Mysteriously quit midseason LY. Would have been drafted)
PJ Lonergan 3* (3 year starter. Undrafted)
Barksdale


That's *15* out of 29 that have not disappeared from LSU due to transfer or injury.

Stop starting sh*t.

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Why don't you collect the data to dismiss that point?

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lol, because you started this thread. YOU made this CLAIM. YOU now have the obligation to not continue talking out of your arse.

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That's it in Miles/Stud tenure. You absolutely cannot deny that. That's an atrocious track record for OL

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You want see an atrocious track record at ol, look up how many Texas has had drafted in say the last six to seven years. This has lead to the funk Texas has been in. Meanwhile, lsu continues to pump out 10 win seasons in the hardest conference in the land. It might be a testament to miles and stud actually that we have not fallen of more with such oline turmoil.

I understand when you look at Bama and lsu in a vacuum, then lsu looks horrible at oline considering they pride themselves on being a running team. But compared to the rest of college football they are not that bad.

Attrition, injuries, and guys not developing limited this team for sure over the past years,, but Like the poster said above I feel like we are finally getting back to where we need to be on the oline.

Collins 5* (Starting)
V Alexander 4* (Starting)
Trai Turner 4* (Starting)
Elliot Porter 3* (Starting)
Jerald Hawkins 3* (Starting)
Andy Dodd 4* (Currently on roster)
Derek Edinburgh 4* (Current backup)
Jonah Austin 3* (Current backup)


T-Bob 4* (Undrafted)
Big Herm 4* (3rd round pick)
Josh Dworaczyk 4* (6 year player)
Greg Shaw 4* (Career backup. Undrafted)
PJ Lonergan 3* (3 year starter. Undrafted)


Chris Faulk 4* (Injuries)
Ciron Black 4* (Bad knees)
Carneal Ainsworth 4* (Injuries)
Mark Snyder 3* (Injuries)
Thomas Parsons 3* (Injuries)
Josh Williford 3* (Injuries)


Corey White 4* (Transferred)
Jarvis Jones 4* (Transferred)
Zhamal Thomas 4* (Dismissed)
Clay Spencer 4* (left after 2 years)
Matt Allen 4* (Transferred)
Stavion Lowe 4* (Transferred)
Evan Washington 4* (Transferred)
Steve Singleton 3* (Transferred)
Cordian Hagans 3* (Transferred)
Alex Hurst 3* (Mysteriously quit midseason)


Not sure who the 6th non-injury draft-eligible guy was. From my understanding, Black was out of commission prior to the draft. Also not sure what year some of the transfer guys were and their draft status or at what point in their careers some of the guys were lost to injury.

Guess what I'm asking for is how many OL guys played their entire careers at LSU and went undrafted unrelated to injury? T-Bob, Longergan, and Dworyczyk are the ones coming to mind.

The point still stands that over the 2009-2013 drafts, only 6 guys made it to the draft who were eligible and healthy.

SIX: T-Bob, Shaw, Lonergan, Barksdale, Dworaczyk, and Herman.

That's basically one incoming class.

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You want see an atrocious track record at ol, look up how many Texas has had drafted in say the last six to seven years. This has lead to the funk Texas has been in. Meanwhile, lsu continues to pump out 10 win seasons in the hardest conference in the land. It might be a testament to miles and stud actually that we have not fallen of more with such oline turmoil.

I understand when you look at Bama and lsu in a vacuum, then lsu looks horrible at oline considering they pride themselves on being a running team. But compared to the rest of college football they are not that bad.

Attrition, injuries, and guys not developing limited this team for sure over the past years. Stud has probably also limited the position, but Like the poster said above I feel like we are finally getting back to where we need to be on the oline.

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well said.

So, we have Bama as a case in point. Texas as a counter-point. OP still has a long way to go to get to the proof of "LSU is worse than 99%" of the rest of college football.

And, btw, I think we're trending up.

The comparison compares two unrelated things and essentially double counts the transfers as an effect. The transfers left so if they made it to the draft LSU doesn't get credit, but they count as attrition and hurt the perception of LSU's draftable o-lineman. It is completely bogus. If the guy who backed up Ciron Black left and was drafted but Black got hurt, you have not accounted for the cause and effect there.

You are using this made up metric like a drunk uses a light poll: for support, not illumination.

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That's false. The transfers may or may not have been both eligible and healthy. Also, Hurst was eligible and healthy.

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The transfers I listed actually transferred to other schools.

It's a missed scholarship opportunity is what I'm getting at here on the injuries and transfers.

I don't count Hurst because he quit LY. Had he played all year, someone would have drafted him.