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re: Article on the history of miles and qb's at lsu
Posted on 11/17/14 at 2:46 pm to dante
Posted on 11/17/14 at 2:46 pm to dante
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The same coach who refused to make a qb change, when we had no first downs against Georgia in the SEC championship game. The same coach who wouldn't make a change with only 1 first down against Ark in the first half.
Yeap......coaches who win at an 80% clip grow on trees. Let's see what they do next year before we rush to judge.
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Posted on 11/17/14 at 8:21 pm to lsucoonass
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What's wrong with winning 9 or 10 games a year? Realistically, who do we get that is better than miles? We would never get saban back as much as I would like that.
I love Les. I don't claim he's the best ever, but he's a heckuva a coach, a good guy, and has done great by LSU.
I agree with the QB mess under his tenure, but I was talking more about our lack of stellar QB play for decades in my post - a defense of Miles in a way.
As far as wins, even though I was in college for the Archer-Hallman years, we have now joined the upper tier programs in college football.
LSU should, with rare exceptions, win at least 9 games a season in order to maintain this reputation. 10 win seasons need to be 50% or better. Conference championships need to be regularly competed for with a win at least every 5 years. National championships need to be realistic most seasons, even if they only actually happen once a decade or so. These are the things that elite programs do. I think Les can still do the job.
This post was edited on 11/17/14 at 8:22 pm
Posted on 11/17/14 at 8:29 pm to TJG210
quote:What have you done for me lately?
Yeap......coaches who win at an 80% clip grow on trees
Posted on 11/17/14 at 8:33 pm to GeauxGoose
Who is "ZACK Lee"???? Lost all credibility there.
Posted on 11/17/14 at 8:45 pm to White Tiger
And Oregon still lost and RG III didn't play in Natl Champ...I recall we played in Natl Champ. Les has been to two. I agree Tigers haven't hit on QB in awhile. I have a feeling Harris will step up next year.
Posted on 11/17/14 at 9:06 pm to GeauxGoose
Interesting article, the Miles issue is complex.
Here's an observation after watching Miles at LSU for a decade. Miles would seem to not seek consensus from his assistants, his management style is extremely top-down and autocratic.
This is who he is, if LSU fans are happy with the eight or nine or ten win seasons, Miles will continue to deliver that, at least short-term. But HCs who are more innovative coaches and much better mangers of their staffs are at the Mississippi and Alabama schools, this is a tough trend to buck long-term.
Cameron and Chavois are only assistants, not true coordinators, they don't determine (or probably contribute much to) big picture issues, Miles holds all the meaningful cards and does not ever delegate. That's my $0.02.
Here's an observation after watching Miles at LSU for a decade. Miles would seem to not seek consensus from his assistants, his management style is extremely top-down and autocratic.
This is who he is, if LSU fans are happy with the eight or nine or ten win seasons, Miles will continue to deliver that, at least short-term. But HCs who are more innovative coaches and much better mangers of their staffs are at the Mississippi and Alabama schools, this is a tough trend to buck long-term.
Cameron and Chavois are only assistants, not true coordinators, they don't determine (or probably contribute much to) big picture issues, Miles holds all the meaningful cards and does not ever delegate. That's my $0.02.
Posted on 11/17/14 at 9:41 pm to soccerfüt
Truth to the qb issue but it really comes down to 2 main issues. 1. Perriloux getting kicked off before his Jr. year. If he stays right and gives us his last 2 years, we not only are successful, but we don't have to start JL or JJ until their jr years and they have more time to develop as backups. As it was we made the NC anyway their Sr. years.
2. The other issue is that we wiffed totally on Rivers. He should have been the starter following Mett and given Jennings/Harris time to develop.
Those 2 issues really define our qb problems and magnify the other issues surrounding it.
2. The other issue is that we wiffed totally on Rivers. He should have been the starter following Mett and given Jennings/Harris time to develop.
Those 2 issues really define our qb problems and magnify the other issues surrounding it.
Posted on 11/17/14 at 9:46 pm to geauxjo
Your two observations are historical and whether Rivers would have panned out is subjective. I can't refute that.
The problem going forward is that Miles is not evolving but the strategy and structure of CFB is. Miles and LSU will get left behind, I fear.
The problem going forward is that Miles is not evolving but the strategy and structure of CFB is. Miles and LSU will get left behind, I fear.
Posted on 11/17/14 at 9:47 pm to geauxjo
Agree 100% with article. But wasn't Colt McCoy also committed at one time when Perriloux was committed to Texas??? Then they flipped commitments???
Posted on 11/17/14 at 9:48 pm to geauxjo
Two strikes!
A head coach should have known that RP was a high risk recruit.
Rivers was never the answer. See Vanderbilt.
Miles has been a failure at evaluating/developing quarterbacks and there is no argument.
A head coach should have known that RP was a high risk recruit.
Rivers was never the answer. See Vanderbilt.
Miles has been a failure at evaluating/developing quarterbacks and there is no argument.
Posted on 11/17/14 at 11:07 pm to geauxjo
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Truth to the qb issue but it really comes down to 2 main issues. 1. Perriloux getting kicked off before his Jr. year. If he stays right and gives us his last 2 years, we not only are successful, but we don't have to start JL or JJ until their jr years and they have more time to develop as backups. As it was we made the NC anyway their Sr. years.
2. The other issue is that we wiffed totally on Rivers. He should have been the starter following Mett and given Jennings/Harris time to develop.
Those 2 issues really define our qb problems and magnify the other issues surrounding it.
Agree with this. Since Perriloux we haven't been able to get where we need to with QB play, exception being Mett 2013. That seemed to do something to CLM to the point of not trusting his QB or not utilizing them correctly. The position at LSU is almost one of just handing the ball off. Don't know why we even do the look to the sideline and check with me since the play most of the time will be a run up the middle regardless of the defensive set.
Posted on 11/18/14 at 7:58 am to roygu
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Two strikes! A head coach should have known that RP was a high risk recruit.
I am as critical of miles as anyone but this is wrong, RP was and still is the most important recruit miles has ever signed, had he lost him the fan base would have gone nuts and had more post Saban angst than already existed
However this article is spot on, it constantly amazes me how we are always so bad at the qb postion, it's pathetic that we seemingly play the less talented player too when there are 2 in the mix
Posted on 11/18/14 at 8:25 am to TJG210
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Joe Montana behind center in the Auburn and Mississippi St. games we would have lost due to our defense which hadn't gelled.
Joe Montana now or 1981?
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This may be the dumbest thing I've ever seen posted on this board, and that's truly saying something.
Miles is a loyal guy. If history is any indication, AJ is the guy until 2017. Unless AJ's light comes on in a hurry, then that loyalty may be Les Miles' demise, much like Driskel was to Muschamp.
Posted on 11/18/14 at 8:30 am to White Tiger
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Derron Thomas and RG III! Geez. I understand that there is a certain amount of hit and miss with recruiting, but goodness sakes.
You're under some delusion that Thomas or RG III would have been great, or even good, at LSU. Both guys went to places with great offensive staffs in place. Here, they would have been forced into the same ultra-conservative approach we have seen 5 of the last 6 years. Everybody wants to keep blaming the players. At some point you realize that maybe the players can be pretty good if the coaching staff would do anything to facilitate that success
Posted on 11/18/14 at 8:31 am to GeauxGoose
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It also made a great point about alleva, after his hiring of two bad basketball coaches do we really trust him to find a replacement?
Im just amazed that some people want a change so bad that they totally ignore this scary situation. I do not trust Alleva to make the hire.
Posted on 11/18/14 at 8:39 am to otowntiger
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Who is "ZACK Lee"???? Lost all credibility there.
People like you are the worst on this site. Who gives a shite how he spells his name?
Posted on 11/18/14 at 8:41 am to GeauxGoose
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Alleva, with that record of coaching decisions in major sports, can’t be allowed to hire a football coach given the financial stakes involved. He has to be gone before the idea of replacing Miles can be seriously entertained.
Yup! Alleva is the first one who needs to go.
Posted on 11/18/14 at 8:43 am to Tchefuncte Tiger
I think most smart people really in charge realize this.
Alleva could sink LSU. Im still amazed we ended up with him. It's not a great situation.
Alleva could sink LSU. Im still amazed we ended up with him. It's not a great situation.
Posted on 11/18/14 at 8:47 am to TJG210
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You people are totally clueless.....let's get rid of the coach who had us in the SEC West title race until the last 20 seconds of the Bama game with a young team and subpar QB play. If you didn't expect some growing pains this year, particularly early, you're kidding yourself. Guys realize that even if we had Joe Montana behind center in the Auburn and Mississippi St. games we would have lost due to our defense which hadn't gelled.
Put down the Kool Aid and please step away from your computer.
Posted on 11/18/14 at 8:51 am to Katy Tiger
quote:Except for glimmers of moments and half years like last year, we have 'been there' for the last 5 years. This isn't a new phenomenon.
That paints a pretty bleak picture of where we are.
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