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re: Are the fans to blame for Brandon Harris not getting PT

Posted on 12/12/14 at 1:55 pm to
Posted by tgerb8
Huntsvegas
Member since Aug 2007
5984 posts
Posted on 12/12/14 at 1:55 pm to
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But the obvious answer is NO, Brandon Harris is the reason for Brandon Harris not getting more playing time.

Why is this so hard for so many idiots to understand?

If the guy was the second coming of Joe Montana, he'd be starting by now.


reductio ad absurdum.
He doesn't have to be the second coming of Joe Montana. He only has to be the second coming of literally any other D1 starting quarterback. And he certainly played that well when given the chance.
Posted by Tom Ford
Member since Dec 2014
135 posts
Posted on 12/12/14 at 2:11 pm to
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But the obvious answer is NO, Brandon Harris is the reason for Brandon Harris not getting more playing time.



The OP is agreeing with this if you actually read it. All accounts close to the locker room say Harris isn't some cancer but he is acting a little too big for his britches. It's not a stretch to assume that at least partially comes from half a fanbase telling him he's a finished product and doesn't need to put in the extra work.


it really isn't that far-fetched of a notion to think that Les, a man who has shown he has no tolerance for massive egos, would have no tolerance for an 18 year old acting like an 18 year old.
Posted by WildTchoupitoulas
Member since Jan 2010
44071 posts
Posted on 12/12/14 at 2:20 pm to
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He only has to be the second coming of literally any other D1 starting quarterback.

"Literally"? Really?

And I'll go ahead and read "D1" to mean FBS...

Anthony Jennings, a SO, has a PE rating of 115.3, which ranks him 83rd nationally.

Sam Richardson is the starter for Iowa State, a JR, ranked 90th.

CJ Brown is the starter for Maryland, a SR, ranked 93rd.

Cole Stoudt is the starter for Clemson, a SR, ranked 96th.

Trevor Siemian is the starter for Northwestern, a SR, ranked 103rd.

Christian Hackenberg is the starter for Penn State, ranked 105th.

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reductio ad absurdum.

I don't think that means what you think it means.
Posted by Tom Ford
Member since Dec 2014
135 posts
Posted on 12/12/14 at 2:27 pm to
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WildTchoupitoulas

and how many of those QBs have the #1 RB from 2014, and #1 WR from 2014 lining up on the offensive side of the ball?

people who are critical of statistics say that you can always tweak the numbers such that you can get them to prove your point. there is literally no metric created that can put a positive spin on jennings' 2014 season.
This post was edited on 12/12/14 at 2:28 pm
Posted by Gray Tiger
Prairieville, LA
Member since Jan 2004
36512 posts
Posted on 12/12/14 at 2:29 pm to
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. there is literally no metric created that can put a positive spin on jennings' 2014 season or this thread.

Posted by Tom Ford
Member since Dec 2014
135 posts
Posted on 12/12/14 at 2:35 pm to
yet here you are, still posting in it after making your disapproval abundantly clear by your first post in this thread.
Posted by WildTchoupitoulas
Member since Jan 2010
44071 posts
Posted on 12/12/14 at 2:37 pm to
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and how many of those QBs have the #1 RB from 2014, and #1 WR from 2014 lining up on the offensive side of the ball?

I don't know, how many?
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there is literally no metric created that can put a positive spin on jennings' 2014 season.



I'm not putting a positive spin on shite, I'm just saying that, right now, Jennings is our best bet at QB. The poster I was responding to said that Harris didn't have to be Joe Montana, but only had to be as good as any other starting QB in FBS. Why doesn't that criterion apply to Jennings? He's better than some starting QBs in FBS. He's not even the worst QB in the post-season, as some of those I listed will be playing in bowl games.
Posted by Gray Tiger
Prairieville, LA
Member since Jan 2004
36512 posts
Posted on 12/12/14 at 2:53 pm to
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yet here you are, still posting in it after making your disapproval abundantly clear by your first post in this thread.


Because this thread is like watching the Three Stooges.
It's funny without any sliver of intelligence or reality.
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 12/12/14 at 2:54 pm to
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No, actually it sounds really, really dumb.
Posted by Tom Ford
Member since Dec 2014
135 posts
Posted on 12/12/14 at 3:36 pm to
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Jennings is our best bet at QB.


based on what?

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The poster I was responding to said that Harris didn't have to be Joe Montana, but only had to be as good as any other starting QB in FBS.


hyperbole, how does it work? although he's not too far off.

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Why doesn't that criterion apply to Jennings?


it does. Jennings finished 119th out of 121 in completion percentage. thats not dead last so, I will concede that one, he is not literally "the worst QB".

side note, jennings efficency rating is actually 100th, not 83rd.

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He's not even the worst QB in the post-season, as some of those I listed will be playing in bowl games.


1) its sad how much we as a fanbase have lowered our expectations for QB play.
2) jennings could not even clear that very low bar.
3) a team's win loss record is not reflective of QB play, as evidenced by LSU. also, there are 83 bowl eligible teams, so being a bowl eligible team is by no means an indication of being a good football team.

Posted by ELVIS U
Member since Feb 2007
9924 posts
Posted on 12/12/14 at 3:52 pm to
That would mean he actually listens or cares about fans input, which he clearly doesn't.
Posted by BeeFense5
Kenner
Member since Jul 2010
41292 posts
Posted on 12/12/14 at 3:57 pm to
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That would mean he actually listens or cares about fans input, which he clearly doesn't.


The first time Miles makes decisions based on fans input especially considering the obvious amount of imbeciles that identify as LSU fans, he should be let go immediately.
Posted by semjase
New Smyrna Beach FL
Member since May 2014
10899 posts
Posted on 12/12/14 at 4:12 pm to
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The only person responsible for Brandon Harris not getting playing time is Brandon Harris
Occams Razor kiddies. The simplest explanation is usually the correct one.

BH doesn't play because he doesn't put in enough film room study and mentally prepare to learn the play book. That's it. He doesn't know the plays well enough and can'r process information fast enough in game situations to satisfy either Miles or Cameron. Doesn't matter how physically talented he is.

This was supposed to be his RS year, but since Miles ran off the R&R brothers because they couldn't run fast enough, they had no choice but to play him before he was mentally ready.

Miles/Cameron don't look like that they're going after one of the JUCO QB's either, (It's ludicrous not to have a back-up insurance plan in place) so he better be ready in the Spring to take the QB job from AJJ. If he's not, LSU is in a heap of trouble next season.

Kelly Gone. (To Ole Miss) Fitzwater and Hubenak still available..........
Posted by Tom Ford
Member since Dec 2014
135 posts
Posted on 12/12/14 at 4:17 pm to
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The first time Miles makes decisions based on fans input especially considering the obvious amount of imbeciles that identify as LSU fans, he should be let go immediately.


so then he should have been let go the wednesday before the auburn game?
Posted by Gray Tiger
Prairieville, LA
Member since Jan 2004
36512 posts
Posted on 12/12/14 at 4:24 pm to
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so then he should have been let go the wednesday before the auburn game?



Good Lord, this thread keeps spinning into insanity. It is like the little dog that chased its tail faster and faster going in ever decreasing circles until it ran up its own butt.
Posted by Tom Ford
Member since Dec 2014
135 posts
Posted on 12/12/14 at 4:34 pm to
LINK

23,000 posts, very little of them are of any substance, and the vast majority of them contain personal attacks on other posters who simply do not share your opinion.

in other words - it's not surprising you spend a lot of time on here, because you probably don't have many friends irl.

I haven't prayed in years but I will say one for you tonight.
Posted by Gray Tiger
Prairieville, LA
Member since Jan 2004
36512 posts
Posted on 12/12/14 at 4:43 pm to
I'm flattered that you are stalking me.
I never refuse a prayer no matter the source.
And I assure you that my friends each have more intelligence than to believe that they know more about football than the LSU coaching staff.


Newbies are so much fun.
Posted by tgerb8
Huntsvegas
Member since Aug 2007
5984 posts
Posted on 12/12/14 at 4:51 pm to
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I don't think that means what you think it means.


Reductio ad absurdum (Latin: "reduction to absurdity"; is a common form of argument which seeks to demonstrate that a statement is true by showing that a false, untenable, or absurd result follows from its denial

quote:

If the guy was the second coming of Joe Montana, he'd be starting by now. But he's not, so he isn't


You: Harris isn't better than Jennings that's why he doesn't start.
Me: Wrong
You: Then you obviously think Harris is Joe Montana.

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Anthony Jennings, a SO, has a PE rating of 115.3, which ranks him 83rd nationally


SO PE is the ranking we are using?
Ok. I'll play.
Amongst all players AJ ranks at 258.
Harris ranks at 83 (ahead of Sims, Marshall, Prescott)..

If you sort by something meaningful, like completion percentage, you'll see that, yes, he LITERALLY is the last name you'll read (because F whoever JD Sprague is )
Posted by WildTchoupitoulas
Member since Jan 2010
44071 posts
Posted on 12/12/14 at 4:58 pm to
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based on what?

Based on the professional opinions of experts in the field that LSU pays millions of dollars to every year thereby giving those experts 'skin in the game' - as opposed to the casual LSU fan watching from the stands or the comfort of their living room or local bar.
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side note, jennings efficency rating is actually 100th, not 83rd.


Actually 89th, but still ahead of all those I listed...
LINK

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1) its sad how much we as a fanbase have lowered our expectations for QB play.
2) jennings could not even clear that very low bar.


My whole point is NOT to tout Jennings' success, only to point out that he's better than Harris, and that the standard LSU fans are holding Jennings to should be the same standard Harris is held to.

Let me re-phrase this over and over and over again...

Jennings is not a good QB at this point in time. BUT, just because Jennings is not good does NOT mean that Harris is necessarily better.

Just because you don't like the performance of the starting QB does NOT mean that you'll like the performance of the backup QB.

Just because the starting QB is performing poorly does NOT (necessarily) mean that the head coach either 1. has a hard on for the starter, 2. is just stubborn, or 3. doesn't know what he's doing.

It is quite possible, at this point in time, that Anthony Jennings is our best option at QB. And since the coaching staff, to whom LSU pays millions of dollars to, and who have won many, many football games in various ways, with various levels of quality of play at the QB position, and whose livelihoods depend on their personnel decisions in large part, and who see many, many more hours of play of BOTH QBs than any fan, keeps going with Jennings leads me to believe that he's our best option at this time.
Posted by mgdtiger
Member since May 2006
2838 posts
Posted on 12/12/14 at 5:09 pm to
The real. Is probably more because he is a true freshman. Last 2 heisman and the guy who will win this year all redshirted freshman year. They also had really good first years(without game experience like some think we need to get harris).
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