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re: A Memo to Coach Les Miles - an appeal to show CHARACTER
Posted on 1/11/12 at 10:26 am to Vol Fan in the Bayou
Posted on 1/11/12 at 10:26 am to Vol Fan in the Bayou
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I hate it when people say this. He was the starting QB for a team that won 8 games.
Lee had more passing touchdowns, more yards, and LESS interceptions through those 8 games than Jefferson has had in the pass two seasons combined.
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Posted on 1/11/12 at 10:31 am to yallallcrazy
quote:Who was the starter for Games 1-9?
Who was the declared starter preseason? JJ w
quote:Why was that necessary? was the offense struggling?
Miles worked him in slowly because the backup did a great job
quote:they expect the starter who is playing fine to get pulled after one bad game? and the subsequent starter to have multiple bad games and not get pulled? i missed seeing where "big-time" programs expect that..
This is what big-time programs expect
quote:absofrickenlutely.....
They both have HUGE flaws.
quote:i think that his assessment that it wasn't fair to put JL in the game is BS and he knows it...
I'm only saying that playing a struggling starter instead of a backup is nothing unusual and in no way is a CHARACTER issue
Posted on 1/11/12 at 10:32 am to GeauxTigerTM
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So I'll ask you...do you think Miles thought Lee was as good an option to run the offense as JJ? It's a simple yes or no.
If you say yes, he did think Lee was as good an option, I have to ask what you think kept him from playing him. Assuming you believe this, I'm sure you have some ideas...
If you say no, then the answer is self evident...he didn't play the guy he felt was the worse option.
I have no clue what Miles thinks. Why do you seek answers from people who have absolutely zero way of knowing them? It seems you and 7thward have some confidence in yourselves that you know these things already.
My point had nothing to do with your follow up question. I didn't read the entire thread, so maybe you answered this, but I'll ask you anyway.
Given the fact that Lee was a part of the game plan, what did Jefferson do that would make Les decide to not only not sit him, but give him MORE time? It's been stated that Lee was most likely going to play. You would think, at the very least, that would have happened, given the abysmal performance of Jefferson.
Posted on 1/11/12 at 10:33 am to theunknownknight
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Lee had more passing touchdowns, more yards, and LESS interceptions through those 8 games than Jefferson has had in the pass two seasons combined.
And the team was a hell of a lot better this year than the last two. Can a single player make a difference? Heck yes. But not to the point where you attribute a win to a single player. For Lee to have done that, he had to have outstanding line play. No?
My point is that this isn't baseball where you attribute wins and loses to pitchers.
Posted on 1/11/12 at 10:33 am to 7thWardTiger
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You want the story of Jarett Lee!? Miles didn't believe Lee could help him win any of the final games. Point. Blank. fricking period. Its not some personal vendetta. Playing time is not owed to anyone. It's as simple as the coaches didn't believe Lee could help beat either UGA or Bama. Miles is showing Character by not saying that.
Did Miles believe this last year when JJ was stinking it up last year? J Lee bailed him out of games last year. You telling me when the game was in hand the and JJ did not do shite the whole game, he was still the best option to win the game? Why not give someone else a chance and see what happens?
Also, JJ did not help beat UGA or BAMA. Defense and running game did.
He played absolutely garbage both games. Sorry but it was a personal vendetta.
Posted on 1/11/12 at 10:33 am to GeauxTigerTM
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To call it a character issue will only appeal to that portion of LSU fans who have been pulling for the name on the back of the jersey more so than the name on the side of the helmet.
Posted on 1/11/12 at 10:33 am to theunknownknight
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What logic do you think you are using if you are basing Lee's future performance on past performance against Bama?
Would it not be the SAME logic for Miles to, at half time, look at Jefferson's past performance in the first half, and think "wow he is sucking it up, I predict this will continue ergo I MUST try something different", and then based on past indicators bring in Lee or Mett in the second half?
I don't get how you can say Miles didn't play Lee because of PAST performances, but that logic, inexplicably and conveniently, doesn't apply to Jefferson DURING THE ACTUAL GAME.
I'll say it again, maybe for the last time...I don;t give a good god damn about the decision making process of Miles...about whether or not he could have/should have made a switch, etc. This is a debate I tired of months ago...I'm certainly in no fricking mood to continue it long after it doesn't matter. The JJ versus JL debate will have to do without me for a while I think.
My only point in having jumped into THIS thread was the insistence that Miles' lack of playing Lee was the result of some character issue and required some public apology to the fans. That's complete bullshite, and there's no evidence AT ALL that his decision to play one player over another was ANYTHING other than a coaching decision. Can it be argued it was a bad one? Sure...go ahead, I won;t be taking part in beating that dead horse but be my guest. But to declare it a character issue really says more about the person making that claim than it does about the actual situation.
Posted on 1/11/12 at 10:34 am to theunknownknight
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Lee had more passing touchdowns, more yards, and LESS interceptions through those 8 games than Jefferson has had in the pass two seasons combined.
Don't make stupid comments please.
Posted on 1/11/12 at 10:36 am to HuRRiCaNe MiLeS
You.are.beating.a.dead.horse.
You really should start watching basketball so you can bitch about TJ.
You really should start watching basketball so you can bitch about TJ.
Posted on 1/11/12 at 10:36 am to LSU82BILL
quote:none... but then again they did not have to defend against the pass..
Which one of those games was against a team that had a defense ANYTHING CLOSE to what Bama was throwing at LSU Monday night?
quote:and yet the coach refused to change ANYTHING!!!
LSU averaged 38.5 points a game in their first 13 wins but had less than 100 yards total offense only crossed the 50 once against Alabama
quote:well according to the Posting Police on TD.com, if you haven't played you cant criticize.. if you don't know whats going on in the locker room you cant criticize.. these guys play and know whats going on in the locker room and they thought he should have/could have played...
And who gives a shite what other players said
Posted on 1/11/12 at 10:37 am to GeauxTigerTM
quote:
I don;t give a good god damn about the decision making process of Miles
And yet you ask others to opine on it...
Posted on 1/11/12 at 10:38 am to Vol Fan in the Bayou
quote:i to hate when people do that.. i stand corrected.. i meant he was the starting QB for your team that won 8 games....
I hate it when people say this. He was the starting QB for a team that won 8 games
quote:
Sorry, for the rant. As a "team" person, I just hate it when wins get attributed to an individual rather than the team in the ultimate team sport.
i agree...
Posted on 1/11/12 at 10:40 am to HuRRiCaNe MiLeS
quote:you're a fool, and i never use that word. I'm sure Miles threw away Million dollar bonuses, coaching prestige, bragging rights, endorsement deals, etc for a personal vendetta. Anyone who honestly believes that is a fool.
He played absolutely garbage both games. Sorry but it was a personal vendetta.
Posted on 1/11/12 at 10:41 am to TiegerTim
Players have been quoted saying the Lee was a part of the game plan leading up to the championship game. I don't believe they are lying. If that's the case, why waste time and resources getting someone snaps that you refuse to utilize in the game? I don't understand the logic. If Miles thinks Lee is not a good QB, and gives us no advantages over Jefferson, then why have him involved in the game plan at all?
Posted on 1/11/12 at 10:44 am to TotalYatMove
quote:
I have no clue what Miles thinks. Why do you seek answers from people who have absolutely zero way of knowing them?
Because assuming you believe your own eyes, we know this answer already by the way he's played his players. that is, if you assume the HC at LSU is playing the guys he thinks give his team the best chance of success. Maybe you don't think that.
quote:
My point had nothing to do with your follow up question.
Ny follow up question was the entire reason I jumped into this thread, as it was started to suggest that Miles' decision to play JJ over Lee wasn't necessarily a coaching decision but that it reflected something deeper...some sort of character flaw. That suggestion is beyond ridiculous to me.
quote:
iven the fact that Lee was a part of the game plan, what did Jefferson do that would make Les decide to not only not sit him, but give him MORE time? It's been stated that Lee was most likely going to play. You would think, at the very least, that would have happened, given the abysmal performance of Jefferson.
To be honest, I don't even care at this point. Me (and you and everyone else) harping on what might have been or what could have been doesn't change Monday night. It's unusual for me, but in this case I'm not trying to be flippant. But other than screaming at the sky, I just don't see the point of continuing to yell about this.
If you and others want to continue this, have at it. I sincerely hope it helps you work through this. My only suggestion to you and everyone else is to finally grasp that until we hear otherwise, there is simply no reason to believe there is some huge conspiratorial situation that was preventing Mr. Lee from seeing the field and it was likely as simply as a coach deciding one player gave his team the better chance to win and sticking with it because he thought we was making the right call.
If some day we find out that Les Miles was actually some fiend that was purposefully trying to ruin the program by holding Lee back and promoting JJ, I'll be the first to light the torches! Until then, people need to get a fricking grip.
Posted on 1/11/12 at 10:44 am to TiegerTim
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well according to the Posting Police on TD.com, if you haven't played you cant criticize.. if you don't know whats going on in the locker room you cant criticize.. these guys play and know whats going on in the locker room and they thought he should have/could have played...
Well if that were true, TD.com would cease to exist. I get it that the players look up to Lee, that they support him, that they think he deserved a chance and that Les should have tried something different. But just because they "play" and they are "in the locker room" doesn't make them right.
Posted on 1/11/12 at 10:45 am to goldengorilla
quote:bingo!!!
If Miles thinks Lee is not a good QB, and gives us no advantages over Jefferson, then why have him involved in the game plan at all?
Posted on 1/11/12 at 10:46 am to goldengorilla
quote:
Players have been quoted saying the Lee was a part of the game plan leading up to the championship game. I don't believe they are lying. If that's the case, why waste time and resources getting someone snaps that you refuse to utilize in the game? I don't understand the logic. If Miles thinks Lee is not a good QB, and gives us no advantages over Jefferson, then why have him involved in the game plan at all?
It that really was the case (and it appears to be), why didn't they get Mett ready???
Someone needs to ask Miles what he would have done if Jefferson was injured.
Posted on 1/11/12 at 10:47 am to TiegerTim
quote:
quote: If Miles thinks Lee is not a good QB, and gives us no advantages over Jefferson, then why have him involved in the game plan at all?
bingo!!!
Because what if Jefferson goes down with an injury? All back up qbs are involved in the game plan.
Posted on 1/11/12 at 10:49 am to TotalYatMove
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And yet you ask others to opine on it...
No, I asked them to address their conspiratorial suggestions.
WHY Miles felt JJ was the better option to JL doesn't matter to me anymore. You feel like seeing my opinion on that matter, feel free to go back and read some old posts of mine. It just has no bearing on this thread for me.
The point is that Miles DID think JJ was the best option...agreed? To not agree with that statement suggests he felt Lee was the best option and sat him anyway.
If he thought JJ was the best option, regardless of why, I don;t see how anyone can make the leap to it being a character issue...merely a coaching decision.
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