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re: A Memo to Coach Les Miles - an appeal to show CHARACTER
Posted on 1/11/12 at 10:05 am to demLSUgirlz
Posted on 1/11/12 at 10:05 am to demLSUgirlz
quote:
LSU beat the winners of the Music City Bowl, Chick Fil A Bowl, Gator Bowl, Rose Bowl, Orange Bowl, Cotton Bowl AND the National Champions, then went on to win the SEC..
you seriously need a reality check.
This and people saying he won every other game get over it are just stupid. This was the MNC you pull out all the stops to win this game when something is not working you try something different not just so oh well we won the SEC beat the Cotton Bowl, Music City Bowl, Chick Fila Bowl, Gator Bowl, Rose Bowl, ORange Bowl, and won the SEC. That's good enough for me let just give up on this game and not try something different.
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Posted on 1/11/12 at 10:06 am to theunknownknight
So blackwell spoke out. And Bechkam simply said maybe more shots downfield. Thats quite a reach saying Beckham and Randle were calling for Lee
Posted on 1/11/12 at 10:07 am to GeauxTigerTM
What was plan B in case Jefferson got hurt? Jefferson was playing like he had a head injury.
Posted on 1/11/12 at 10:07 am to theunknownknight
quote:
theunknownknight
No, not a denial...a misread. You wrote:
Put it this way, if you were told Jefferson would average 40 yards a game ( ) in the SEC championship and the Nation Championship games, would you have advocated for Lee to play? Yes or No?
What I THOUGHT you wrote was:
Put it this way, if you were told Jefferson would average 40 yards a game ( ) in the SEC championship and the Nation Championship games, would you have advocated for JJ to play? Yes or No?
My answer was, "Um...no. No I wouldn't have," which is why I directly followed that line up by asking you if you'd have played Lee knowing with hindsight how his day in November went at BAMA in that November BAMA game.
My point was that using hindsight as the means by which you determine who should play is silly.
Posted on 1/11/12 at 10:07 am to LSU82BILL
quote:
Nobody is happier than me that Jordan Jefferson will never take another sanp at LSU....but maybe Les Miles is showing his true CHARACTER but not being completely honest about why he didn't insert Lee. Lee is pretty good at finding the hot read when being fairly well protected on a blitz. He is horrible when he is not well protected....and Bama was all over Jefferson from a 3-4 alignment and only blitzing one LB. That would have been a recipe for disaster if Lee was in the game under heavy pressure with 7 or 8 Bama players in coverage. Lee's career stats against Bama don't lie. Stick your opinion up your arse and learn a little bit more about football.
This is what I'm thinking.
How in the world is it poor character to keep your mouth shut rather than saying something negative about a kid?!
Whatever the reason, Les is taking the heat rather than criticizing Lee publicly.
How is that bad character?
This post was edited on 1/11/12 at 10:09 am
Posted on 1/11/12 at 10:08 am to GeauxTigerTM
quote:does not compute. Miles not playing Lee is simply a matter of him hating Lee, not him thinking Lee wouldn't be able to succeed in moving the offense.
So would you consider this to be merely a coaching decision...one in which he could be completely wrong about...or some character issue that would indicate something deeper with his relationship with Lee? I ask this because it was, after all, the point seemingly of the OP's thread.
Posted on 1/11/12 at 10:09 am to 7thWardTiger
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does not compute. Miles not playing Lee is simply a matter of him hating Lee, not him thinking Lee wouldn't be able to succeed in moving the offense.
You also forgot to add that miles did this to show the fan base who is boss. he intentionally threw away his million dollar bonus also.
This post was edited on 1/11/12 at 10:10 am
Posted on 1/11/12 at 10:10 am to LSU82BILL
quote:
"I felt like it would be unfair to him with the pass rush"
quote:yeah, i agree that it would not be fair to give a player that won 8 games for you, has practiced and was ready to go in the game, a player that YOU coach Miles have thought worthy of a scolarship, a player that multiple players have been quoted as saying they thought he should have/would have played... yeah i believe asking THAT player to go in the game and maybe spark the team to victory, with that pass rush would be un-fair to him...
do you not agree with that statement?
Give me a Fing break.....
Posted on 1/11/12 at 10:11 am to BeeFense5
quote:forgot about that. JJ playing > 1,000,000 for CLM
You also forgot to add that miles did this to show the fan base who is boss. he intentionally threw away his million dollar bonus also.
Posted on 1/11/12 at 10:13 am to 7thWardTiger
quote:
does not compute. Miles not playing Lee is simply a matter of him hating Lee, not him thinking Lee wouldn't be able to succeed in moving the offense.
I feel like there needs to be a show of hands for all those people who think that Miles truly believed that Lee gave the Tigers as good or better a shot at winning but denied him his chance and played JJ anyway. Sadly I think it would be a fairly long and "distinguished" list on here.
Bash the guy if you must for not seeing what you do...that Lee was awesome and JJ sucked harder than Tracy Lords...but at least admit to yourselves that Miles felt JJ was the best option. If that thought troubles you about our head coach, my suggestion would be to carry your arse over to the AD's office and let your frustrations be known. Have fun making that case to Aleva...
Posted on 1/11/12 at 10:14 am to josh336
quote:
I like how posters are being chastised for their opinion that Miles should've made the QB change, yet the players apparently felt the same way, but no one is going to bash them.
Nope.
I'm chastising posters who think a coach who fails to publicly disparage a kid exhibits poor CHARACTER.
Posted on 1/11/12 at 10:16 am to MrLSU
I couldn't care less about JJ or JL. I just want him to say what he is going to do to make the offense productive. Absence of JJ and Lee should help but need more.
Posted on 1/11/12 at 10:17 am to 7thWardTiger
Posted on 1/11/12 at 10:18 am to TiegerTim
quote:
You mean like Lee was pulled as the starter after 2 INTs in the first BAMA game.. i agree.. normally it takes a few bad games, like JJ has had, or several bad series within a game, like JJ had.....
Who was the declared starter preseason? JJ was.
Miles worked him in slowly because the backup did a great job. This is what big-time programs expect.
Apparently the lines crosses at Bama Nov 5th and the starter was replaced into his role.
I am in no way justifying his pick of who should be the #1. I honestly don't know. They both have HUGE flaws.
I'm only saying that playing a struggling starter instead of a backup is nothing unusual and in no way is a CHARACTER issue.
Posted on 1/11/12 at 10:20 am to TiegerTim
quote:
yeah, i agree that it would not be fair to give a player that won 8 games for you, has practiced and was ready to go in the game, a player that YOU coach Miles have thought worthy of a scolarship, a player that multiple players have been quoted as saying they thought he should have/would have played... yeah i believe asking THAT player to go in the game and maybe spark the team to victory, with that pass rush would be un-fair to him...
Give me a Fing break.....
Which one of those games was against a team that had a defense ANYTHING CLOSE to what Bama was throwing at LSU Monday night? LSU averaged 38.5 points a game in their first 13 wins but had less than 100 yards total offense only crossed the 50 once against Alabama. And who gives a shite what other players said. They aren't thinking any more rationally than the pissed off fans.
Posted on 1/11/12 at 10:20 am to 7thWardTiger
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You want the story of Jarett Lee!? Miles didn't believe Lee could help him win any of the final games. Point. Blank. fricking period. Its not some personal vendetta. Playing time is not owed to anyone. It's as simple as the coaches didn't believe Lee could help beat either UGA or Bama. Miles is showing Character by not saying that.
Oh man, go ahead and remove the thread. We got THE STORY from this fricking guy. You are obviously a pillar of inside knowledge and impartiality.
If Les thinks Lee could not do better than that shite show put on by Jefferson Monday night, then he should have cut his arse from the team a LONG time ago.
Posted on 1/11/12 at 10:23 am to TiegerTim
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yeah, i agree that it would not be fair to give a player that won 8 games for you,
I hate it when people say this. He was the starting QB for a team that won 8 games. He didn't win the game - just like JJ didn't loose the NC. The team won 13 games and the team lost 1.
Sorry, for the rant. As a "team" person, I just hate it when wins get attributed to an individual rather than the team in the ultimate team sport.
Posted on 1/11/12 at 10:24 am to GeauxTigerTM
quote:
My point was that using hindsight as the means by which you determine who should play is silly.
What logic do you think you are using if you are basing Lee's future performance on past performance against Bama?
Would it not be the SAME logic for Miles to, at half time, look at Jefferson's past performance in the first half, and think "wow he is sucking it up, I predict this will continue ergo I MUST try something different", and then based on past indicators bring in Lee or Mett in the second half?
I don't get how you can say Miles didn't play Lee because of PAST performances, but that logic, inexplicably and conveniently, doesn't apply to Jefferson DURING THE ACTUAL GAME.
This post was edited on 1/11/12 at 10:24 am
Posted on 1/11/12 at 10:24 am to CptBengal
After that great Performance against Georgia too.
Posted on 1/11/12 at 10:24 am to TotalYatMove
quote:
If Les thinks Lee could not do better than that shite show put on by Jefferson Monday night, then he should have cut his arse from the team a LONG time ago.
So I'll ask you...do you think Miles thought Lee was as good an option to run the offense as JJ? It's a simple yes or no.
If you say yes, he did think Lee was as good an option, I have to ask what you think kept him from playing him. Assuming you believe this, I'm sure you have some ideas...
If you say no, then the answer is self evident...he didn't play the guy he felt was the worse option.
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