- My Forums
- Tiger Rant
- LSU Recruiting
- SEC Rant
- Saints Talk
- Pelicans Talk
- More Sports Board
- Fantasy Sports
- Golf Board
- Soccer Board
- O-T Lounge
- Tech Board
- Home/Garden Board
- Outdoor Board
- Health/Fitness Board
- Movie/TV Board
- Book Board
- Music Board
- Political Talk
- Money Talk
- Fark Board
- Gaming Board
- Travel Board
- Food/Drink Board
- Ticket Exchange
- TD Help Board
Customize My Forums- View All Forums
- Show Left Links
- Topic Sort Options
- Trending Topics
- Recent Topics
- Active Topics
Started By
Message
re: A close look at our record vs Alabama
Posted on 4/25/12 at 10:30 am to Govt Tide
Posted on 4/25/12 at 10:30 am to Govt Tide
quote:
If you carefully look at how the last few weeks of the season played out then there is no way on earth you honestly believe this. An undefeated Alabama team definitely would have had to beat LSU on 1/9/12 to win the national championship. If Bama wins 9-6 on Nov 5th, the circumstances would have been exactly the same accept replace Bama for LSU in the #2 spot.
I want to lead into my reply by letting you know I'm not being a prick to you, I'm just giving you an honest perspective:
With that said....
NO, had LSU lost on 11/5 in the "Game of the Century", you bet your arse LSU would have been left out. The whole "you didn't win your conference" argument would have been brought out, which I, as an LSU fan and a fan of CFB, would have agreed with 100%.
You see, you root for a team that is given leeway/breaks/benefits of the doubt based upon your past AND the fact that you are a good media draw. LSU is not a program with those benefits, at least not in the eyes of the people who run college football now (ESPN). Yes, LSU is a solid program now, but we are no way a Tier 1 Media Darling like Bama, USC, Notre Dame, Michigan, Texas, Oklahoma or Florida.
For example, had Okie "Lite" been OU or Texas and won the Big 12, they play LSU on 1/9/12, not Bama. I believe you are smart enough to know this.
So, from your perspective, it is easy for you to say "yes, LSU would have been #2", simply because you KNOW this is the benefit given to your team annually. Not all college programs have these unwritten benefits lined up for them, and as good as LSU has been, we still aren't one of them.
This post was edited on 4/25/12 at 10:35 am
2
Posted on 4/25/12 at 10:53 am to Govt Tide
quote:
If you carefully look at how the last few weeks of the season played out then there is no way on earth you honestly believe this. An undefeated Alabama team definitely would have had to beat LSU on 1/9/12 to win the national championship.
Last few weeks? The media were talking up a rematch immediately after ther 11/5 game (as in that night), when there were still undefeated teams out there. Do you honestly believe the media would've done the same had LSU lost on 11/5? I sure as hell don't.
The last few weeks simply gave the media/voters cover to do what they wanted to do all along - give Bama a second chance.
Posted on 4/25/12 at 11:11 am to KC Tiger
So you just count the years that help lsu. That sounds like auburn logic.
Posted on 4/25/12 at 11:23 am to cwsec
quote:
So you just count the years that help lsu. That sounds like auburn logic.
I thought cut/paste Stassen was a mainstay?
Posted on 4/25/12 at 2:51 pm to cwsec
quote:
So you just count the years that help lsu. That sounds like auburn logic
Not sure what you mean? I took years that had logical significance (5, 10, 15, 20 etc). I guess I could have taken the last 6 years, or 12 years, or 17 years, but that would have seemed arbitrary and illogical. Doesn't 5, 10, 15, 20, 30, 40 seem more appropriate?
Posted on 4/25/12 at 3:16 pm to LsuTool
quote:
the games where LSU failed to cross mid-field?
quote:and then there's that rock next to you that just crawled out from under...lol
I didnt realize this.
Posted on 4/25/12 at 3:45 pm to KC Tiger
Posted on 4/25/12 at 3:56 pm to EZE Tiger Fan
Well you have convinced me.. I now realize that even though LSU would have lead OSU in all of the computers, that the human voters would have overwhelmingly put OSU at number 2. Unfortunately, LSU's football program is not a tier 1 media darling, apparently due to a lack of championship tradition and overall prestige.. I encourage you all to keep fighting the good fight, as one day, with more wins and exposure, you could possibly find your way into the esteemed Tier 1, and be granted all of the benefits therein.. I wish you Godspeed on your journey, and remember, you are a valuable member of the SEC!
Posted on 4/25/12 at 4:12 pm to getback
Just for the sake of accurate reporting, I went back and did this the right way, and here are the numbers... I did it by season. Since the NCAA recognizes our illustrious Mulligan as an actual game, I included it.
5 years (seasons 2007-2011) 3-3 Tie
10 years (seasons 2002-2011)7-4 LSU by 3
20 years (seasons 1992-2011)11-10 LSU by 1
30 years (seasons 1992-2011) 15-15-1 Tie
40 years (seasons 1972- 2011) 25-15-1 BOOM Alabama by 10!
LSU never caught up after that... SO...
Alltime 46-25-5 Alabama
So... that's still a lot to be proud of as an LSU fan. As an Alabama fan, I'm glad the 2000 decade is over.
ETA: I decided to do it by decade too...just as a different spin.
2000-present 2-1 LSU
2000-2009 7-3 LSU (Uggh)
1990-1999 8-2 Alabama
1980-1989 5-4-1 Alabama
1970-1979 9-1 Alabama
1964-1969 5-1 Alabama
* Alabama and LSU didn't play every year until 1964.
5 years (seasons 2007-2011) 3-3 Tie
10 years (seasons 2002-2011)7-4 LSU by 3
20 years (seasons 1992-2011)11-10 LSU by 1
30 years (seasons 1992-2011) 15-15-1 Tie
40 years (seasons 1972- 2011) 25-15-1 BOOM Alabama by 10!
LSU never caught up after that... SO...
Alltime 46-25-5 Alabama
So... that's still a lot to be proud of as an LSU fan. As an Alabama fan, I'm glad the 2000 decade is over.
ETA: I decided to do it by decade too...just as a different spin.
2000-present 2-1 LSU
2000-2009 7-3 LSU (Uggh)
1990-1999 8-2 Alabama
1980-1989 5-4-1 Alabama
1970-1979 9-1 Alabama
1964-1969 5-1 Alabama
* Alabama and LSU didn't play every year until 1964.
This post was edited on 4/25/12 at 4:31 pm
Posted on 4/25/12 at 4:34 pm to EZE Tiger Fan
quote:
I want to lead into my reply by letting you know I'm not being a prick to you, I'm just giving you an honest perspective:
Don't act like you know for sure what would have happened. Nobody does. Alabama was #2 because they were clearly one of the top 2 teams in the country, not because the media loves them. And for the record I think Alabama would have still gone to the championship game over a Texas or OU in the same situation.
ETA: These numbers that the OP gave were pointless. They dominate us in the series history and beat us last year in the BCS and that's all that matters IMO
This post was edited on 4/25/12 at 4:39 pm
Posted on 4/26/12 at 11:05 am to Thunder Tiger
quote:
Last few weeks? The media were talking up a rematch immediately after ther 11/5 game (as in that night), when there were still undefeated teams out there. Do you honestly believe the media would've done the same had LSU lost on 11/5? I sure as hell don't.
THIS is why we need to get rid of preseason rankings. The media couldn't stand that their two preseason picks for #1 and #2 (OU and Bama) were going to be passed over by losing to their rivals LSU and OK State. It was a matter of ego for them so they could say at the end of the year, "See, we were right. You SHOULD listen to us. We can predict who's going to win based on our talent analysis on paper."
This also mirrors Saban's ego and how he couldn't stand to have the national focus shift to Les Miles and the job he's done with OK State and LSU which would have happened had OK State been ranked #2 (which would have shifted recruits to hearing constantly about LSU). By pimping Bama into the game, Saban kept the national conversation about himself and the media (esp ESPN), who prefers him to Miles, was all too happy to oblige. It also signals that those inside the Bama program see LSU and Les Miles as a threat to their perceived hegemony.
Posted on 4/26/12 at 12:02 pm to GeauxPack81
quote:
Alabama was #2 because they were clearly one of the top 2 teams in the country, not because the media loves them.
Really? What did the 2011 Bama team do to deserve this adulation? You do realize Bama had the weakest resume in BCSNCG history, and this included the 2001 Nebraska team that didn't win the Big 12.
Was it when they played THREE (yes, count them, THREE) teams with a winning record, losing to one of them at home....in their most important game?
Was it when they didn't win their division?
Was it when they didn't win their conference?
What did they do to deserve it? Hell, Okie Lite beat more top 15 teams than Bama beat with winning records. Yet, we know for a fact that Bama was the greatest because they won a Mulligan? Really?
ESPN and the media have you right where they want you.
quote:
And for the record I think Alabama would have still gone to the championship game over a Texas or OU in the same situation.
Hardly. OU was in the top 2 until they started losing. UT would have been treated the same.
Remove "State Cowboys" after Oklahoma and replace it with "sooners", a team that wins the big 12 and blows out a top 10 team the last week of the season, and OU is in the title game.
quote:
These numbers that the OP gave were pointless. They dominate us in the series history and beat us last year in the BCS and that's all that matters IMO
I do agree with this 100%
This post was edited on 4/26/12 at 12:05 pm
Posted on 4/26/12 at 3:08 pm to KC Tiger
Man what some spin! 
Posted on 4/26/12 at 3:24 pm to EZE Tiger Fan
It was a close call.. Razor close.. Do you think any of those voters are remorseful after the pummeling in the championship? I doubt it.. Bama just proved them right.. You need to work on your Tier 1 submission package.. You all have a lot of great highlights from the past ten years, and a colorful tradition. It will take some lobbying, but I know you have it in you EZE..
P.S. Get your facts straight.. Bama played SEVEN (yes, count them, SEVEN) teams with a winning record.. Penn St., Arkansas, LSU, Florida, Mississippi St., Auburn, and Georgia Southern.. Major failure..
ETA:
OSU beat more top 15 teams than Bama beat teams with winning records? No..Another major failure in your argument.. Their resume was good, no need to inflate it for your own purposes..
P.S. Get your facts straight.. Bama played SEVEN (yes, count them, SEVEN) teams with a winning record.. Penn St., Arkansas, LSU, Florida, Mississippi St., Auburn, and Georgia Southern.. Major failure..
ETA:
OSU beat more top 15 teams than Bama beat teams with winning records? No..Another major failure in your argument.. Their resume was good, no need to inflate it for your own purposes..
This post was edited on 4/26/12 at 3:37 pm
Posted on 4/26/12 at 3:39 pm to getback
quote:
Do you think any of those voters are remorseful after the pummeling in the championship? I doubt it.. Bama just proved them right.. You need to work on your Tier 1 submission package.. You all have a lot of great highlights from the past ten years, and a colorful tradition. It will take some lobbying, but I know you have it in you EZE..
EZE could give a shite what the media thinks of LSU. See my "Know Your Place" thread I started during the BCS crap. I don't watch ESPN outside of game broadcasts, which I mute the TV. I get all the info from here. I'm just pointing out the obvious to fellow LSU fans who have a hard time grasping what happened and why a Mulligan was granted.
LSU fans need to be prepared to have to beat Bama twice every year from now on. It is a fact of life from here on out. If they can't deal with it, they will be miserable. Winning in November is no longer good enough. Nothing wrong with admitting this, right?
quote:
Bama played SEVEN (yes, count them, SEVEN) teams with a winning record
My apologies. I meant three ranked teams. Also, MSU and UF were 6-6 in the regular season, not to mention GASouthern is an FCS team. You, nor the media, had no way of knowing if MSU or UF would win their bowl at the time the mulligan was granted. So, that's four BCS teams with a winning record. Awesome. That's one more whole team than my original statement.
So, congrats on beating 2 ranked teams during the regular season (PSU and Arky), three teams with a winning record (PSU, Arky, Auburn), and losing your most important game....at home. Quite impressive. I see why you got the Mulligan.
You know your program was gifted an unprecedented rematch. More power to you for winning it.
This post was edited on 4/26/12 at 3:42 pm
Posted on 4/26/12 at 4:02 pm to EZE Tiger Fan
Oh, cool..change all of your criteria.. So it's now "FBS teams with winning records in the regular season" instead of "teams with winning records".. Gotcha.. How about teams ranked at the time the game was played.. After all the media had No way of knowing if they were gonna win their next games.. Spin it however you need to convince yourself, nobody else is buying it..
The Bama program was very lucky to get back to that number 2 spot, there is no denying that.. They were gifted with losses by other teams, and I do agree that the Bama name does not hurt when people come to decisions like that, but had LSU played the same against OSU, it wouldn't have mattered.. They would have run y'all out of the dome, too.. Inb4buttheywouldhaveplayedbetteragainstosu
The Bama program was very lucky to get back to that number 2 spot, there is no denying that.. They were gifted with losses by other teams, and I do agree that the Bama name does not hurt when people come to decisions like that, but had LSU played the same against OSU, it wouldn't have mattered.. They would have run y'all out of the dome, too.. Inb4buttheywouldhaveplayedbetteragainstosu
Posted on 4/26/12 at 4:23 pm to EZE Tiger Fan
quote:Was last year's Mulligan-Bama team good enough to beat LSU twice?
"Is this year's LSU team good enough to beat Bama twice?"
NEAUX!!!
Posted on 4/26/12 at 4:49 pm to getback
quote:
Oh, cool..change all of your criteria..
I apologized to you and admitted you were right. I focussed on the correction YOU made and the teams YOU listed.
quote:
So it's now "FBS teams with winning records in the regular season" instead of "teams with winning records".. Gotc
YOU were the one who pointed out that it was "really 7 teams with a winning record in the regular season" when it clearly wasn't. I pointed out your errors on regular season records. You also counted an FCS team. I don't count NSU last year. Teams like Bama and LSU shouldn't be playing these teams nor should we be proud when we beat them.
quote:
How about teams ranked at the time the game was played.. After all the media had No way of knowing if they were gonna win their next games.. Spin it however you need to convince yourself, nobody else is buying it..
Who is "nobody else", exactly? I'm just pointing out the facts to you. Also, I've been posting on this board long enough to know that we often don't discuss "ranked" teams until the end of the season due to the point you made above. If you want to go that route, it starts to look worse for your 2011 body of work due to the fact Penn State was 9-5. You still only beat two ranked teams: Arky and LSU (mulligan).
quote:
The Bama program was very lucky to get back to that number 2 spot, there is no denying that.. They were gifted with losses by other teams, and I do agree that the Bama name does not hurt when people come to decisions like that, but had LSU played the same against OSU, it wouldn't have mattered..
I agree with all of this 100%. Only difference is that I believe OSU beats LSU worse than Bama did. OSU gets in the end zone 3 times or more when it matters, not at the end of the game when everyone has pretty much quit, including the coaching staff. LSU plays OSU the way they played Bama on 1/9, they lose 31-10. Easily. I stated this after the game.
quote:
Inb4buttheywouldhaveplayedbetteragainstosu
The majority of LSU fans would say this. Yes. I'm not in that group.
PS - A lot of my bitch with the Tier 1 media darlings like your team is the overall effect it has on CFB in general. I'm not just an LSU fan, I'm also a CFB fan. Keep that in mind if you ever get in another discussion with me. I fully expect the same scenarios to play out for USC this year, if not worse, if they are in the "hunt" at the end of the season. I believe they will get far better treatment than 2011 Bama did, and that's saying a lot.
Posted on 4/26/12 at 5:54 pm to EZE Tiger Fan
Nah, I didn't say anything about regular season.. It doesn't matter.. You don't believe Bama should have been there, and I'm sure some will agree.. But you distorted both teams (Bama and OSU) records to try and prove your point.. That's just sloppy.. When you make good points, they are illegitimized by your incorrect information.. Both teams had arguments to be in the game.. Yes,we will hear a lot about USC this year, they are a traditional power with a lot of talent and a polarizing coach. Why shouldn't we? The system will play out like it always does, for better or worse, and 1 will play 2..
This post was edited on 4/26/12 at 6:11 pm
Posted on 4/26/12 at 7:46 pm to getback
quote:
It was a close call.. Razor close
I don't think so. OSU beat more ranked teams, and won their conference after skull-dragging OU, who I believe was a former #1 ranked team. Bama didn't even win their division. Any yet some voters voted OSU as low as 5th in the final poll? Yep, razor close.
quote:
Do you think any of those voters are remorseful after the pummeling in the championship? I doubt it
Circular logic.
ESPN is reporting that a "final four" playoff-type system is being considered for next year. Why would they do this if the system is just fine? Just in time to save darlings like Bama from a similar fate, huh?
Page 4 of 6
Popular
Back to top
Follow TigerDroppings for LSU Football News