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re: 2 Reasons why JJ has become the starter.
Posted on 11/18/11 at 4:18 am to houstontiger
Posted on 11/18/11 at 4:18 am to houstontiger
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i am not even sure JL is a better passer.
Then you're not very intelligent.
Not only are his throws better, he can throw it before the receiver comes out of his break. JJ could NEVER make the fade TD throw in the Gator win in the Swamp. Lee threw that ball to a spot long before TT made his cut. JJ would have held onto to the ball and been sacked or forced to run, ending the game.
Lee was 8-0 in commanding fashion without JJ.
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Posted on 11/18/11 at 4:21 am to LakerTiger
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Lee didn't bring us anywhere. The TEAM brought themselves to 10-0 , ably managed by the head coach.
Stop trying to dig deeper meaning out of words. When I said Lee "brought" us to 10-0, I meant he was the QB at the time, and the QB is one of the leaders of the team.
There is no deeper meaning - Lee is ONE of the players on the team and one amongst those who can/will provide leadership.
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Of course it's a team effort, it's sports. You're not making some profound statement by saying that.
The statement was true - everyone makes it out like Lee was solely responsible for this and we would have crumbled without him - I merely pointed out that there are multiple others who provided equal if not better results at their respective positions and the entire result is thanks to Les.
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And let's also note that to give your team the best shot at winning, all parts of the team need to be hitting on all cylinders. And what QB helps us do that is what this discussion is about.
Certainly we need to have the best possible team to help win games - the question is why would you think or assume that the rantards know more about team chemistry, game planning, player weaknesses and strengths more than Les Miles?
Anyone can have favorite players/positions or plays and can debate that - certainly it is their prerogative. The issue is what gives you the qualification to question Les' decisions.
1. He ensured that despite all distractions the team is still winning comfortably.
2. He certainly knows what is required of the QBs in each game
3. He knows the skill sets of both QBs and sees them at practice and talks to them ( I am sure on a daily basis).
Why the angst when someone points out that your(not specifically you but all rantards) arguments don't hold water?
Posted on 11/18/11 at 6:17 am to houstontiger
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i am not even sure JL is a better passer.
JL is a better passer and JJ is a better runner, just a different skil set.
Posted on 11/18/11 at 6:58 am to houstontiger
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i am not even sure JL is a better passer.
Posted on 11/18/11 at 7:11 am to houstontiger
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with JL we would have a loss already.
And one theoretical loss justifies losing his starting job? This does not compute. Jefferson lost his share of games and never lost his starting job until legal troubles surfaced.
Posted on 11/18/11 at 7:15 am to 7thWardTiger
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How do you know he's the starter
He said so on Wed show
Posted on 11/18/11 at 7:16 am to 2007lsuno1
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i am not even sure JL is a better passer.
Posted on 11/18/11 at 7:24 am to ApexTiger
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He said so on Wed show
Erroneous.
Posted on 11/18/11 at 7:26 am to just me
Lee's numbers come from a larger sample size of more play this season. Until the Bama game, Jefferson only came in situationally upon his reinstatement. Comparing their passing numbers at this point hardly proves that Jefferson is the better passer. I'd still take Lee over Jefferson.
Posted on 11/18/11 at 7:32 am to just me
Why didn't you circle completion percentage? or attempts? touchdowns?
This post was edited on 11/18/11 at 7:34 am
Posted on 11/18/11 at 7:39 am to TigerNlc
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Why didn't you circle completion percentage? or attempts? touchdowns?
Why would he do something that kills his already weak argument? Where are the fumble numbers? Sacks? Or Points Per Game?
This post was edited on 11/18/11 at 7:40 am
Posted on 11/18/11 at 7:42 am to TigerNlc
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Why didn't you circle completion percentage? or attempts? touchdowns?
Because that doesn't support his argument. Even just looking at the numbers where larger sample sizes are used, it's obvious that Lee offers a greater threat in the passing game. This is reflected in passing stats that actually matter. QBs who throw more are statistically going to throw more interceptions and will make bad reads every now and then.
That's not to say Jefferson can't be an important component in the offense. The fact of the matter is that Jefferson played like garbage early last season. Has Jefferson improved? Maybe he has, but I'm not going to judge that by looking at one game in which he started against WKU and the other situational appearances he made this season.
Certainly what Jefferson brought to the Bama game was what the doctor ordered, but that alone should not have justified Lee losing his starting job if he has indeed lost it. You can argue that Jefferson is better this season than he was last season, but Lee is too. What I've seen with my eyes is that the offense operates more efficiently with Lee under center than with Jefferson. With the numbers this season for Lee and the lack of numbers for Jefferson due to sample size, that confirms it for me as well. If Jefferson is indeed the starter, then I have to hope it all works out in the end.
This post was edited on 11/18/11 at 7:43 am
Posted on 11/18/11 at 7:42 am to just me
As long as we win, I really don't care, but this is hardly an accurate comparison. If you throw out all the dog shite performances Jefferson had at the beginning of last season it doesn't look as bad. Of course if you throw out Lee's one bad performance for the year his stats look really good. Cherry picking stats or manipulating stats to enhance your position weakens it. LSU loses at Alabama with Lee running the offense. The option game was the only thing that was really working for us and there is no way that Lee can run that against Alabama regardless of who he is pitching to.
Posted on 11/18/11 at 7:45 am to LakerTiger
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We're not beating West Virginia or Oregon putting up the points we put up with Jefferson at the reigns. (And don't reference the Western Kentucky game. That was a joke of a defense, and he didn't even start putting up points until the second half)
We're not beating them with the offense we put up against Miss St. either. But I guess that was JJs fault.
Posted on 11/18/11 at 7:46 am to memphis tiger
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We're not beating them with the offense we put up against Miss St. either. But I guess that was JJs fault.
That score was not reflective of how much LSU dominated that team on the field. It may not have been a crowning achievement for Lee, but it was a win nonetheless. Bama wasn't a crowning achievement for either QB.
Posted on 11/18/11 at 7:50 am to SouljaBreauxTellEm
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Still Lee had one bad game ALL season long against the other best defense in the country.. It HAPPENS
I'm really not trying to bash JL here, but there have been a couple other games where we won but he really did not play well.
Vs oregon he completeled less than 50% of his passes, but I'll give him a pass because it was the first game and he wasn't supposed to be the starter.
He looked like absoulte crap vs Kentucky, no other way to put it.
So let's stop acting like JL was Tom Brady or Drew Bress before the Bama game.
Posted on 11/18/11 at 7:51 am to LakerTiger
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Lee brought us to 10-0.
Posted on 11/18/11 at 7:58 am to LaBornNRaised
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Why would he do something that kills his already weak argument? Where are the fumble numbers? Sacks? Or Points Per Game?
He wouldn't do that. He doesn't care who starts remember.
Posted on 11/18/11 at 7:59 am to ezrulz
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I'll say this. Anyone who can convince himself that we would've won the bama game with Lee at qb is completely delusional and I won't waste time arguing with them.
I stopped reading your ignorant, biased post right there. What an idiot
Posted on 11/18/11 at 8:00 am to TigerNlc
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This post was edited on 11/18/11 at 8:05 am
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