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re: Trey Quinn 10.4 100 meter
Posted on 3/28/14 at 6:41 am to tigerwave168
Posted on 3/28/14 at 6:41 am to tigerwave168
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but these aren't mind blowing times at all.
95% of people on the planet can NOT run close to these times
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Posted on 3/28/14 at 8:46 am to tigercross
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Whoa whoa whoa
Let's set some things straight.
1) I never compared Quinn to Demps, Ford, Ginn, Harvin, etc. That was someone else.
2) There are MAYBE 5 meets in Louisiana that take wind readings for high schoolers. Everything else is suspect. Someone claimed that it would be noted if wind readings were above the allowable limit. That is only the case if wind readings are being taken. Which they are not 99% of the time. And wind readings were not taken for any of Quinn's fastest races.
3) I am not trying to denigrate Quinn in the slightest. I am trying to temper expectations in his defense. Because in October and November, some of these same idiots claiming he has run 10.4/10.6 will be saying absurd shite like "Trey Quinn is the fastest guy on the team! Why ain't he returning kicks?? Fire Miles!" or "Why don't we run Quinn on an end around once a game? He's the fastest guy out there!" or "Why don't they just run Quinn on a fly pattern three or four times a game? Obviously Les has control of the offense!" shite like that is not fair to the kid or the coaching staff. The less mis-information we have, the more realistic our expectations will be. Trey Quinn is super fast. But people expecting him to be a Randy Moss or DAT type playmaker are out of their minds. That does not fit his skill set and it does not fit the LSU offense.
This is a stupid argument, anyway. 100m is 109+ yards. I cannot think of any football scenario where an athlete would be running unimpeded for 109 yards. 60m is 65+ yards. Again, that will never happen on a football field. Watch the kid's tape. He is plenty fast, he runs amazing routes, and has great hands. More importantly, he wants to be a Tiger. If the film shows he is good, the coaches think he is good, and he wants to be good, everything else is extraneous. I don't care if he runs 12.00 for 100m if he can produce 1/2 of what Landry and/or Beckham did.
Good points tigercross, I do not dispute them. It bothered me about the 10.6, because I just happened to be there that day, and he did run a 10.64 FAT that day. From what I know, the 100m runners are typically running directly into a southern wind at Barbe, their track is old, and the times there are never very good. The 10.64 was run on Lafayette's track, which is in better shape, and if there is wind it is usually at the runner's back. From what the newspapers say, Trey is always running four events eack week, and the week before the 10.64 the track coaches only had him run one race to freshen his legs (it obviously worked). I also beleive he worked with a former Olypmic level sprinter in the weeks leading up to that race. He was also beaten by a kid earlier in the year that also ran in the race he ran 10.64, and knowing Trey he was extra motivated.
I normally would not go into this depth or even reply at all. It was just hard for me to sit back and watch a handful of posters try to come up with every possible reason to discredit a kid's accomplishments, especially when this is supposed to be an LSU board and we are dealing with a kid who plays as hard as he does for these very same people, and trys to do things the right way.
This post was edited on 3/28/14 at 8:49 am
Posted on 3/28/14 at 9:15 am to TigerAlum93
really to me, the best way to measure speed of a high schooler is relative to other high school kids. If he is winning meets in the 100 at the 5A
level in Louisiana the kid has smoking speed. HOw often does a player run 110 yard at a time in a football game. Probably never but it doesn't matter. The 100 is a great measure of flat out speed. It is a lot less arbitrary than trying to get a handle on what a particular 40 time is.
level in Louisiana the kid has smoking speed. HOw often does a player run 110 yard at a time in a football game. Probably never but it doesn't matter. The 100 is a great measure of flat out speed. It is a lot less arbitrary than trying to get a handle on what a particular 40 time is.
Posted on 3/28/14 at 11:59 am to TigerAlum93
Let's set this straight: I was not discrediting Quinn's accomplishments or saying he's "slow." I was simply saying it's not anything insane given that he is a future division 1 athlete and if things work out, potentially an NFL caliber player (only time will tell there). Most high profile, division 1 football players (minus obvious positions like o-line, defensive tackles, etc) are pretty damn fast. These are his peers now (or in 4-5 months). This is who he should be compared to. It may be unfair to compare him to some of the players I mentioned earlier but it's the way it is unfortunately.
Posted on 3/28/14 at 2:21 pm to tigerwave168
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Most high profile, division 1 football players (minus obvious positions like o-line, defensive tackles, etc) are pretty damn fast
he is faster than most high profile division 1 football players were in high school. He will most likely be one of the 2 or 3 fastest players on the team.
Posted on 3/28/14 at 2:28 pm to tigerwave168
I don't know how you're able to discount this 100m time. It's hella fast, regardless of it being hand times or not
This post was edited on 3/28/14 at 2:28 pm
Posted on 3/28/14 at 4:04 pm to boxcar willie
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22nd fastest in the state in all classifications at the 60. I'd say he is pretty dam fast.
People have totally lost sight of what it means to be fast. Bogus 40 times are probably to blame.
Posted on 3/29/14 at 8:35 am to tigerwave168
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Let's set this straight: I was not discrediting Quinn's accomplishments
Yes, in fact you were. You said he wasn't that fast then compared him to some of the fastest players I have seen play. Its disgusting really. I even saw Holiday's name and 100 meter time mentioned.
It doesn't make sense to say that he isn't that special and then compare him to the fastest players you can think of. It makes you sound like a fricking idiot.
Posted on 3/31/14 at 12:25 pm to bencoleman
I ran track and field throughout high school and collegiately. I saw plenty of football players who ran track and not surprisingly, a lot of them ran very quickly not only in the 40, but in the 100 meters, 200 meters, even up to the 400 meter hurdles. Yes, I compared them to names people would recognize. I didn't use them in order to discredit anything Quinn has done. I simply said it's not THAT surprising that a skill position football athlete can run a 10.64 100 meter. Is it a very respectable time? Absolutely. Is it "fast"? Look around at other states and how quickly some of these football players run before you call me an idiot. Look at a guy on the LSU roster for example. I would describe what Kavahra Holmes did in high school as pretty ridiculous in the 400 meters with a 46.18. I would describe ex-Tiger Jeryl Brazil as fast with a 10.36 100 meters in high school.
Anyone who has been around the sport of track and field and competed collegiately at the division 1 level would agree with what I said. Especially if they were in the SEC. To people who cannot run these times (myself included, I was a long distance athlete in college), it is difficult to imagine running that quickly.
Using 95% of America or human beings is an invalid basis of comparison. I ran a faster 5k/10k than 95% of America and got my arse kicked plenty of times in high school/college on the track.
I wrote on here not to slander anyone's name, but to provide a little bit of perspective. People need to stop getting so offended when not every poster on this board sits here and has insane bias towards every athlete that attends/will attend LSU. As much as anyone on here, I like to see LSU athletes succeeding but don't call people an idiot for being objective.
Anyone who has been around the sport of track and field and competed collegiately at the division 1 level would agree with what I said. Especially if they were in the SEC. To people who cannot run these times (myself included, I was a long distance athlete in college), it is difficult to imagine running that quickly.
Using 95% of America or human beings is an invalid basis of comparison. I ran a faster 5k/10k than 95% of America and got my arse kicked plenty of times in high school/college on the track.
I wrote on here not to slander anyone's name, but to provide a little bit of perspective. People need to stop getting so offended when not every poster on this board sits here and has insane bias towards every athlete that attends/will attend LSU. As much as anyone on here, I like to see LSU athletes succeeding but don't call people an idiot for being objective.
Posted on 3/31/14 at 5:43 pm to tigerwave168
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I wrote on here not to slander anyone's name, but to provide a little bit of perspective. People need to stop getting so offended when not every poster on this board sits here and has insane bias towards every athlete that attends/will attend LSU. As much as anyone on here, I like to see LSU athletes succeeding but don't call people an idiot for being objective.
I didn't call you an idiot for being objective I called you an idiot for saying he is not that fast and naming off names of some of the fastest players Trey is right there with them. It doesn't make sense to say he is not that fast and then name off some of the fastest players around to compare him to.
Posted on 4/1/14 at 2:04 pm to Pear
Pretty fly.
For a white guy.
For a white guy.
Posted on 4/1/14 at 4:00 pm to Emiliooo
I think his 60 indoor time is indicative of being a 4.6 guy.
Posted on 4/1/14 at 4:10 pm to GhostofJackson
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I think his 60 indoor time is indicative of being a 4.6 guy.
Nice try but WRONG!
Posted on 4/1/14 at 4:18 pm to GhostofJackson
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I think his 60 indoor time is indicative of being a 4.6 guy.
Have you seen his highlights? It is clear that he is the fastest guy on the field. I don't know where all the bullshite is coming from. Is it some sort of troll attempt? If it is this is the recruiting board please read the rules and act accordingly.
Posted on 4/1/14 at 5:48 pm to bencoleman
So let me get this straight. Chris Lewis from Lakeside ran 6.81 in the 60 this year. Trey Quinn ran 7.18. If Quinn is a 4.4 guy (I'm not even touching the 4.39 posted on Rivals), then Chris Lewis is a 4.1-4.2 guy. You see how ridiculous it is now?
Posted on 4/1/14 at 6:04 pm to bencoleman
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Have you seen his highlights? It is clear that he is the fastest guy on the field.
You do realize it is entirely possible for him to be a 4.6 guy and still be the fastest guy on the field in Louisiana high school football?
Posted on 4/1/14 at 6:09 pm to GhostofJackson
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So let me get this straight. Chris Lewis from Lakeside ran 6.81 in the 60 this year. Trey Quinn ran 7.18. If Quinn is a 4.4 guy (I'm not even touching the 4.39 posted on Rivals), then Chris Lewis is a 4.1-4.2 guy. You see how ridiculous it is now?
People knowledgable about track and field and what it really means with all of these high school hand timed 40 times will never win these arguments. Palelei's pimp on here or whatever that guy was would not believe palelei wasn't a legit 4.4 guy when I tried to explain how jeryl Brazil's 4.3 whatever FAT time, coupled with his 6.2 whatever 55 meter time, meant no way in hell was palelei even close to that when his 55 time was 6.6+
Posted on 4/1/14 at 6:17 pm to Open Your Eyes
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You do realize it is entirely possible for him to be a 4.6 guy and still be the fastest guy on the field in Louisiana high school football?
Honestly all this does is hurt the kids. I had some 8th graders a few weeks ago nearly offended when I told them they had run a 5.0. They were so used to having smoke blown up their butts that they were 4.7-4.8 guys that they didn't believe me. Everyone thinks they are a superstar because they are fed crap about how awesome they are.
Go talk to any senior class of football players. Everyone has run 4.6 or better and is waiting on that offer from LSU or Bama.
Posted on 4/1/14 at 10:28 pm to GhostofJackson
He runs. An official 10.6 in the hundred. So you are saying he covers the last 40 in 3 seconds and some change. I guess he has some kind of afterburner that kicks in after 60. I will take it and be glad.
Posted on 4/1/14 at 11:00 pm to Open Your Eyes
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People knowledgable about track and field and what it really means with all of these high school hand timed 40 times will never win these arguments. Palelei's pimp on here or whatever that guy was would not believe palelei wasn't a legit 4.4 guy when I tried to explain how jeryl Brazil's 4.3 whatever FAT time, coupled with his 6.2 whatever 55 meter time, meant no way in hell was palelei even close to that when his 55 time was 6.6+
The first thing we should do is not try to compare times from different distances, conditions, and from one athlete to another.
Brazil ran a 4.32 forty at the same camp that Quinn ran a 4.39. Same camp, day, surface, stopwatches, and coaches doing the timing, that is a better comparison.
You ARE right about one thing, and that is whatever a guy's forty time is can be irrelevant when they put the pads on and play the game. It is a well known fact that track speed and football speed can be significantly different.
Forty times and track times give you an idea if a kid can run, but should not be used to extrapolate, directly compare, an end all tell all, etc. Too many variables involved. I believe Quinn was primed and ready for LSU camp as well as for the district track meet last year, when he ran those two good times. I believe the indoor times in the winter were right after the Army Bowl and not when in track shape as perhaps the others you mentioned were, guys who are full time track athletes. And yes, I think Chris Lewis could possibly run a sub 4.3 hand timed forty.
This post was edited on 4/1/14 at 11:07 pm
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