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re: Good recruiting has to happen before winning championships, not the other way around

Posted on 3/5/24 at 9:58 am to
Posted by LSU1215
Monroe
Member since Aug 2009
3729 posts
Posted on 3/5/24 at 9:58 am to
Water is wet! Thanks for CNN Breaking News information. It's about to be alot of downvotes incoming
Posted by Midtiger farm
Member since Nov 2014
5002 posts
Posted on 3/5/24 at 10:03 am to
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Nick Saban was consistently recruiting in the top 5 at LSU. It can be done. It’s a shame that he left before he really got to reap the benefits of the program he built


He also finished with 2 classes outside the top 10

So if this class finishes like its predicted to Kelly will have a top 3/#6 and a #7 class according to composite
if you go by ON3 he will have 3 top 5 classes

Rivals was the only real rankings service when Nick was here
Posted by TheWalrus
Member since Dec 2012
40444 posts
Posted on 3/5/24 at 10:19 am to
Michigan and Clemson won title without great recruiting
Posted by JiminyCricket
Member since Jun 2017
3482 posts
Posted on 3/5/24 at 10:21 am to
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Common sense isn’t common. I’ve seen numerous posters on this board get this wrong.



You've repeatedly referenced other posters reading comprehension and common sense or rather their lack of the two. Perhaps you should consider the possibility that if a large portion of people reading your thoughts are not arriving at the point you're intending to direct them to, that's a you problem.
Posted by GeauxVU
Member since Jan 2022
1046 posts
Posted on 3/5/24 at 10:35 am to
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You've repeatedly referenced other posters reading comprehension and common sense or rather their lack of the two. Perhaps you should consider the possibility that if a large portion of people reading your thoughts are not arriving at the point you're intending to direct them to, that's a you problem.


This.... OP needs to google "Dunning Kruger" and then do some self reflection...
Posted by chadr07
Pineville, Louisiana
Member since Jan 2015
7875 posts
Posted on 3/5/24 at 10:46 am to
The 25’ class is saying hello
Posted by JiminyCricket
Member since Jun 2017
3482 posts
Posted on 3/5/24 at 10:47 am to
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This.... OP needs to google "Dunning Kruger" and then do some self reflection...



No doubt.


It's always part comical part pitiful when someone makes a nonsense post and then doubles down by berating other for "not getting it."
Posted by cbree88
South Louisiana
Member since Feb 2010
5280 posts
Posted on 3/5/24 at 1:34 pm to
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You've repeatedly referenced other posters reading comprehension and common sense or rather their lack of the two. Perhaps you should consider the possibility that if a large portion of people reading your thoughts are not arriving at the point you're intending to direct them to, that's a you problem.


Nah. I know that most people are not that smart. I’ve accepted that at this point.

I got a perfect 36 on the ACT in reading comprehension back in the day, so it’s pretty unlikely that my skills are the problem.

Also, I’ve passed the CPA exam and Louisiana notary public exam without much trouble.
This post was edited on 3/5/24 at 1:38 pm
Posted by cbree88
South Louisiana
Member since Feb 2010
5280 posts
Posted on 3/5/24 at 1:38 pm to
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Michigan and Clemson won title without great recruiting


Wrong. Both of Clemson’s national championship teams were absolutely loaded with talent. This year’s Michigan team had a good bit as well.

You never win big if you don’t have the horses. Good recruiting and high recruiting rankings are not the same thing. Sometimes finding low-ranked diamonds in the rough is part of good recruiting.
Posted by Midtiger farm
Member since Nov 2014
5002 posts
Posted on 3/5/24 at 1:44 pm to
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Wrong. Both of Clemson’s national championship teams were absolutely loaded with talent. This year’s Michigan team had a good bit as well.


Clemson's previous 4 classes before the 2016 championship avg 12.75
Michigan's avg was 10.75 before this season

You continue to show you have no idea what you are talking about
Posted by MikeTheTiger71
Member since Dec 2021
2836 posts
Posted on 3/5/24 at 1:49 pm to
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I got a perfect 36 on the ACT in reading comprehension back in the day, so it’s pretty unlikely that my skills are the problem.


An ability to comprehend what other people write does not necessarily imply that you have an ability to write things in a comprehensible manner yourself. In fact, it’s often difficult for the most intelligent to express themselves in an easily understandable fashion.
Posted by GeauxVU
Member since Jan 2022
1046 posts
Posted on 3/5/24 at 1:54 pm to
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I got a perfect 36 on the ACT in reading comprehension back in the day, so it’s pretty unlikely that my skills are the problem.

Also, I’ve passed the CPA exam and Louisiana notary public exam without much trouble.


You must be so proud of yourself



You can pump yourself up all you want but if you had an ounce of self awareness or functional intelligence, you'd realize you're conflating intelligence with capability to pass a standardized test.

It's the same as saying you're smart because you went to Harvard. Hint: there's plenty of morons that went there, just like there's plenty of morons with perfect ACT scores (SO IMPRESSED ) that have passed the CPA and notary exam (whatever the hell that is....)

A for Effort though
Posted by abellsujr
New England
Member since Apr 2014
35254 posts
Posted on 3/5/24 at 2:09 pm to
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Nick Saban was consistently recruiting in the top 5 at LSU. It can be done. It’s a shame that he left before he really got to reap the benefits of the program he built.
Not that it can’t happen, but these time periods may not be the best for comparison.
Posted by Penrod
Member since Jan 2011
39124 posts
Posted on 3/5/24 at 2:16 pm to
quote:

Nick Saban was consistently recruiting in the top 5 at LSU.

Saban was recruiting in the top 1 at LSU. The recruiting services didn’t know it, but he was. It wasn’t until later that the services realized that Saban knew better than anyone else who were the best high school players. Then they started adjusting their rankings according to whom he was recruiting. LSU fans called it the Bama Bounce, and they thought the services were pumping up Bama’s numbers. But that wasn’t it. The services were just cheating off of Saban.
Posted by pbro62
Baton Rouge
Member since May 2016
11290 posts
Posted on 3/5/24 at 2:33 pm to
Dumbassery at its finest
Posted by JiminyCricket
Member since Jun 2017
3482 posts
Posted on 3/5/24 at 2:55 pm to
Man oh man. How many logical fallacies can you fit in one post?
Posted by The Egg
Houston, TX
Member since Dec 2004
79122 posts
Posted on 3/5/24 at 3:03 pm to
quote:

Wrong. Both of Clemson’s national championship teams were absolutely loaded with talent. This year’s Michigan team had a good bit as well.

You never win big if you don’t have the horses. Good recruiting and high recruiting rankings are not the same thing. Sometimes finding low-ranked diamonds in the rough is part of good recruiting.
if by your original premise is looking at recruiting rankings then Michigan does not fit the mold that you are trying to fit them in. If you're talking about development then yeah, but it recruiting talent then no.

Have we actually examined Michigan's classes under Harbaugh?

2024: 15th
2023: 17th
2022: 9th
2021: 13th
2020: 10th
2019: 8th
2018: 22nd
2017: 5th
2016: 8th
2015: 37th

The classes that would have made the difference in their playoff and subsequent championship teams sat no higher than 8th, and that's fringe. If we're not talking about high recruiting rankings then what are we talking about with recruiting?
This post was edited on 3/5/24 at 3:05 pm
Posted by Sissidog02
Member since Jan 2020
5326 posts
Posted on 3/5/24 at 3:12 pm to
That’s a great idea but Butch Davis didn’t win sht, maybe that’s why he went batass crazy, you and him must’ve been celebrating that imaginary Natty.
Posted by MightyYat
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2009
24364 posts
Posted on 3/5/24 at 3:39 pm to
I feel like no one even bothers to review the TD Guidelines anymore.

quote:



• Your post(s) may be whacked if you:
o Start a new thread for every thought that pops into your head.
Posted by BayouCowboy
Member since Dec 2012
14403 posts
Posted on 3/5/24 at 3:49 pm to
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Nick Saban was consistently recruiting in the top 5 at LSU. It can be done. It’s a shame that he left before he really got to reap the benefits of the program he built.

According to 247 Saban had 2 Top 5 classes and 14th and 20th ranked classes.

There's no doubt he revived LSU with the help of one of if not the best support staff in CFB history, but his record wasn't consistent. Year 2 10-3, but year 3 8-5. Year 4 wins the NC at 13-1, but goes 9-3 the next year.

Kelly took over a team that was in just as poor shape as Saban did and has 2 10 win seasons to start. The 25 class looks to be one of LSU's best. Comparatively he's doing quite well and he's setting LSU up for a really solid run.
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