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re: Game Manager at Quarterback
Posted on 7/18/15 at 11:52 pm to jondavid11
Posted on 7/18/15 at 11:52 pm to jondavid11
Didn't he throw like 5 against Bama that year and we still won?
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Posted on 7/19/15 at 12:47 am to EastTiger
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First I must say I don't know what Miles means by game manager. A manager is someone who is in who has control or dictates direction. I am sure that the coaches are not going to give control of the game to the QB. I cringe every time I hear him say that because it seems as though we don't expect the QB to be the difference maker on the field. In pro football the QB is the highest paid player on the field because he is the biggest difference maker on so many teams. It sounds like we don't want one of those kind of Qb's. OUCH
McCarron was WIDELY considered nothing but a game manager, or the 'ultimate' game manager. All he did in his career was put up 9019 pass yards 77 passing TDs, 15 ints and 3 rush TDs. Over his 3 starting years, he averaged 2876.6 pass yards 67.1%, 25.6 total TDs and 5 ints a year. Oh yeah and he won something called a national championship, 2 of them in fact. Finished with a conference championship as well as a 36-4 record. And for being a game manager, I guess that's good enough for the Johnny Unitas Golden Arm Award and the Maxwell Award, I dunno, maybe.
Some other accomplishments from this "game manager"
Career
3rd in SEC in completion percentage
4th in SEC 13th in NCAA in passing efficiency
6th in SEC 25th in NCAA in ypa
9th in SEC in passing TDs
14th in SEC in total TDs
16th in SEC in passing yards
Yep, I sure wouldn't want a "game manager"
Posted on 7/19/15 at 12:58 am to Datbayoubengal
To tell the truth, wouldn't matter if we had a McCarron type, a JT Barrett type, or a 2013 Jameis Winston type, but I do want one of those. All were accurate, all were good decision makers, and the only thing they really differed from, was athleticism.
In Harris, physically, we have a Barrett type with a much stronger arm. Watch JT in the spring game last year, and then his first few games. He didn't look that good. Once he settled in though, he started putting up crazy numbers. If they open the offense up a bit like Cam mentioned (playing to the strengths) this LSU offense could blow up. I'm expecting this offense to blow up in fact.
In Harris, physically, we have a Barrett type with a much stronger arm. Watch JT in the spring game last year, and then his first few games. He didn't look that good. Once he settled in though, he started putting up crazy numbers. If they open the offense up a bit like Cam mentioned (playing to the strengths) this LSU offense could blow up. I'm expecting this offense to blow up in fact.
Posted on 7/19/15 at 9:23 am to GeauxToBed
No I graduated in 1996 and played ball at Alabama State. Been here ever since... I can't stand these Bama fans and we stay into it.
Posted on 7/19/15 at 9:34 am to Datbayoubengal
McCarron was not a game manager by the end of 2011 and not even close to one in 2012. Bama passed about the same amount as they rushed in 2012. Your stats show he wasn't a game manager so I'm not sure why you posted them. He got labeled one early because he was a pocket passer on a team that primarily ran the ball when he first won the job. That changed by the end of his first season as a starter. If you think a guy who was considered for the heisman is what we are talking about as a game manager then some wires got crossed somewhere. Our definitions are not even close to the same. Pocket passer who is accurate does not equal game manager.
This post was edited on 7/19/15 at 9:37 am
Posted on 7/19/15 at 10:49 am to edsimms2000
Wow he really said that? That he wants a game manager? It has become such a mental thing.
Posted on 7/19/15 at 10:52 am to OGtigerfan73
OGtigerfan73, at the end of the day, I can safely say we (LSU fans) want better quarterback play. I believe that LSU has a deep and talented backfield, athletic and dangerous receivers and big physical linemen. We just need a QB that can distribute the ball to our playmakers (see Zach M. In 2013). I truly believe in Harris' ability to lead us, but as bad as the quarterback play has been since 2007, it seems we keep running into inconsistent QB play. I am assuming when Miles said game manager, he meant pro style? This year, let Harris loose and see what he is made of.
Posted on 7/19/15 at 2:49 pm to edsimms2000
Ed what's your definition of a game manager. Because at a glance it almost looks color related.
Posted on 7/19/15 at 2:58 pm to edsimms2000
I agree completely with that. I think Harris can be that guy. We will see ha.
Posted on 7/19/15 at 3:02 pm to edsimms2000
Good deal. Fwiw I only asked b/c if it was 2000, it would likely mean we played against each other.
We need more good guys two states to the east.
We need more good guys two states to the east.
Posted on 7/19/15 at 3:36 pm to OGtigerfan73
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McCarron was not a game manager by the end of 2011 and not even close to one in 2012. Bama passed about the same amount as they rushed in 2012. Your stats show he wasn't a game manager so I'm not sure why you posted them. He got labeled one early because he was a pocket passer on a team that primarily ran the ball when he first won the job. That changed by the end of his first season as a starter. If you think a guy who was considered for the heisman is what we are talking about as a game manager then some wires got crossed somewhere. Our definitions are not even close to the same. Pocket passer who is accurate does not equal game manager.
McCarron is WIDELY considered a game manager. I've actually went against that notion of him, but obviously you only talk to yourself because people have been saying this for years. They still say it, seriously.
Posted on 7/19/15 at 8:09 pm to Tiger Phanatick
My definition of a game manager is a quarterback that doesn't have the strongest arm but is smart, tough, accurate and knows how to distribute the ball to his athletes. A good example last year that comes to mind are Mason (Georgia), Wallace (Ole Miss), & Sims Bama. Not relied upon to win the game or to throw the ball 30 times a game, but just make the right play. Jennings is a game manager who won't force the issue but his accuracy (48%) isn't the best
Posted on 7/19/15 at 8:25 pm to edsimms2000
Wallace made a lot of awfully stupid decisions for a game manager. The last int vs LSU comes to mind, but his decision making was widely criticized. And does a leader head to the locker room early?
This post was edited on 7/19/15 at 8:27 pm
Posted on 7/19/15 at 8:58 pm to Datbayoubengal
He wasn't in 2012 and I remember many conversations on tv of analysts talking about how he was evolving out of that title. When you have the most impressive stats of any player on your offense you most likely aren't a game manager. Game managers dont throw nearly as much as he did in 2012. Like I said I think we have different ideas of what a game manager is. To me a game manger is a guy who is not asked to do much partly because he plays in a conservative offense but also because of his physical limitations. He will be needed in big spots especially on 3rd down but will almost never lead a game in the stat department. It seems like your idea of the term is a white pocket passer who doesn't run much.
Posted on 7/19/15 at 9:04 pm to OGtigerfan73
Maybe I'm off on this one too but I look at Wallace as more of a gun slinger. Dude made big plays and also made a lot of terrible ones. His emotional state seemed to have a direct correlation to the rebels success.
Posted on 7/20/15 at 12:02 am to OGtigerfan73
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He wasn't in 2012 and I remember many conversations on tv of analysts talking about how he was evolving out of that title. When you have the most impressive stats of any player on your offense you most likely aren't a game manager. Game managers dont throw nearly as much as he did in 2012. Like I said I think we have different ideas of what a game manager is. To me a game manger is a guy who is not asked to do much partly because he plays in a conservative offense but also because of his physical limitations. He will be needed in big spots especially on 3rd down but will almost never lead a game in the stat department. It seems like your idea of the term is a white pocket passer who doesn't run much.
He threw it 314 times in 14 games. That's a little more than 22 times a game. He didn't run either so he mostly just distributed the ball a bit. For reference, Mett threw the ball 296 times in about 12 games. I'd say he falls in between game manager and play maker.
2014 SEC QBs that I could put into 3 basic types
Gunslinger
-Mauk
-Thompson
-Wallace
Playmaker
-Marshall
-Prescott
-Towles
-Dobbs
-Sims
Game Manager
-B. Allen
-Mason
-Jennings (using the term loosely here)
This post was edited on 7/20/15 at 12:04 am
Posted on 7/20/15 at 7:01 am to Datbayoubengal
Just about any day now, GoodOleLess will announce there has been a team vote , and AJ has been voted suspension free , back on the team and able to retake the reins, once again banishing BH and his clipboard back to the pines. 
Posted on 7/20/15 at 8:35 am to OGtigerfan73
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That's my point. Flynn made plenty of mistakes and used his feet plenty. Mauck was a straight up dual threat who they reigned in with play calling. I wouldn't call Russell a game manager and he put up two seasons as good or better than Flynn's senior season. That's individually and as a team since they had the same record with Russell putting up better numbers and not having nearly as bad loses. I'm just saying I don't think it's who we are recruiting I think it is play calling and and the way we handle our QB's that has hurt the offense.
I would have to agree with that. Ultimately the downfall is that Miles is too loyal and wont make the switch. he stuck with Jefferson for 4 years even after we were undefeated under Lee and he has an off the field issue. Now he is staying too loyal to Jennings who simply cannot get it done. How on Earth did Jennings stay on the field last year?
Posted on 7/20/15 at 6:56 pm to edsimms2000
Maybe we need a game manager as head coach. We have to accept: 1) miles QB recruitment has been terrible 2) we aren't going to get top notch QBs because they want to go to Sou Cal, Georgia, etc 3) miles is stuck on dual threat because it gives the defense another man to account for. In reality, does this come into play when we're running a two tight end set and the defense has 8,9 or 10 men in the box?
Posted on 7/20/15 at 7:01 pm to Tiger Phanatick
"Ed what's your definition of a game manager. Because at a glance it almost looks color related."
OMG !!! Can we leave the race issues to the 6 o'clock news and talk sports here?
OMG !!! Can we leave the race issues to the 6 o'clock news and talk sports here?
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