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re: Cam Cameron the main reason Malachi Dupre chose LSU.
Posted on 5/21/14 at 9:07 pm to oldschoolgreats
Posted on 5/21/14 at 9:07 pm to oldschoolgreats
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realize cam is from the NFL. however, people keep talking about what cam did for the offense. i don't see it. cam was handed hill, obj, mett, landry, turner, collins. thats the best group of offensive talent in the les miles era. i saw a lot of individual stats but i don't see how the offense scored that many more points than in previous years or won us any games with come from behind scoring (ie georgia). cam is a very good coach but i didn't see any impact on WINS last year.
So I guess you missed the entire NFL draft where the anaylyst on ESPN and NFL network praised Cam for the level of sofistication our players had regarding NFL offenses. They routinenly stated our players would mentally have the smallest learning curve due to us basically running an NFL offense. If we were running the prior years offenses last year we would have struggled to win 7 games.
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Posted on 5/21/14 at 9:32 pm to Curtiselwood
It is perfectly reasonable Cameron is a top offense mind, it would be idiotic not to go to LSU if you play offense and want to make the league.
The reason you do not see what Cam Cameron has done with the offense is because he simplified it. Its not a Mike Leach deal where from one year to the next where you see a big difference.
A great coach plays to your strengths and that is what he did, no other college QB was throwing that opposite hash 40 yard out like Mett was and that pass is all NFL and was not in the offense last year.
All of out 1st team skill players on offense were drafted, that is insane and or 4th WR was drafted!!!
You want Cam to stay at LSU for years and years? Going to have to pay him an NFL salary at LSU. I for one am all for it.
The reason you do not see what Cam Cameron has done with the offense is because he simplified it. Its not a Mike Leach deal where from one year to the next where you see a big difference.
A great coach plays to your strengths and that is what he did, no other college QB was throwing that opposite hash 40 yard out like Mett was and that pass is all NFL and was not in the offense last year.
All of out 1st team skill players on offense were drafted, that is insane and or 4th WR was drafted!!!
You want Cam to stay at LSU for years and years? Going to have to pay him an NFL salary at LSU. I for one am all for it.
This post was edited on 5/21/14 at 9:34 pm
Posted on 5/21/14 at 10:13 pm to LoveThatMoney
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the worst offenses in the country. Luckily our defense was unbelievable and bailed out the offense, much like it did in 2011.
First off, ga was written as a loss IMO before the season began. We weren't going to Athens with our secondary and winning against the qb that holds sec records. 2nd our d is what cost us the bama and Clemson games. Those games were won without last drive collapses. I still think can was a great hire, the philosophy wasn't that much diff, just the execution. And I tend to believe henry helped progress the wrs. Landry didn't play a whole lot is frosh year at wr, and obj went through a lil slump. You see what happens when the qb and wrs build chemistry. We won't have that luxury this season. Starting fresh, we will see what they can do with a raw passing game.
Posted on 5/21/14 at 11:05 pm to oldschoolgreats
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i don't see it. cam was handed hill, obj, mett, landry, turner, collins
All of those guys stud had in 2012 as well and Cam made them all better in 2013.
Not sure how you can blame the offense in any of our 3 losses. The defense absolutely blew chunks in all 3 of our 3 losses last season.
This post was edited on 5/21/14 at 11:07 pm
Posted on 5/22/14 at 3:54 pm to Mattwells90
Cam has been good friends (seriously close buds) since Michigan days way back when. I think both enjoy their roles at LSU.
Money talks, and Cam is so good he's gonna get offers all the time, but as far as friendship bonds go and trust levels go, you wont find a better team of a HC and an OC anywhere. At least we have that.
Money talks, and Cam is so good he's gonna get offers all the time, but as far as friendship bonds go and trust levels go, you wont find a better team of a HC and an OC anywhere. At least we have that.
Posted on 5/22/14 at 4:24 pm to Mattwells90
Coach Cam is a really great guy. He is very approachable and has shown he really knows what he is doing with the offense. I liked Coach Stud alot too, but I think he was out of his element when he had to take over the OC job. I've heard a lot of people bashing Stud, but he did the best he could. It was just unfortunate that his best wasn't quite good enough. I wish him well and think he will do well at Maryland.
Posted on 5/22/14 at 5:14 pm to wildman77
very well said sir
Posted on 5/24/14 at 3:17 am to Captain Crown
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so you are saying that cam would have turned jj into a top notch qb. we never had 2 wr like obj and landry in the past. also, compare the ol in 2013 versus 2011 or 2010. that had a lot to do with passing game
reed and clayton???
bowe and byrd???
plenty other duos i havent mentioned
Posted on 5/24/14 at 9:40 am to oldschoolgreats
quote:I would argue 2006 when we had Dwayne Bowe and Early Doucet.
we never had 2 wr like obj and landry in the past
Look Cam's overall success can be debated however Stud's success cannot. Our offense under Stud was one dimensional and not exciting for the instate talent we produce. LA produces great athletes and receivers so we need someone with a reputation like Cam to bring in those athletes.
Posted on 5/25/14 at 4:54 pm to oldschoolgreats
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oldschoolgreats
I've seen some really stupid comments on this board but you are now
number 1.
What the frick are you even trying to argue?
Posted on 5/25/14 at 5:46 pm to Mattwells90
You'd like to think in state high rated recruits would want to go to home state power house school for no other reason than that's their home.
Just not the case with lot of these boys.
Just not the case with lot of these boys.
This post was edited on 5/25/14 at 5:48 pm
Posted on 5/25/14 at 5:53 pm to TIGRLEE
Seems like it would make more sense to just argue that closer to mama = better
This post was edited on 5/25/14 at 7:49 pm
Posted on 5/25/14 at 6:02 pm to BigEdLSU
WTF are you talking about?
You don't think LSU is loyal to high rates in state recruits?
You don't think LSU is loyal to high rates in state recruits?
Posted on 5/25/14 at 6:28 pm to TIGRLEE
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This post was edited on 5/25/14 at 7:48 pm
Posted on 5/25/14 at 8:00 pm to oldschoolgreats
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oldschoolgreats
Wow.... just wow.
In only one season, the purple and gold moved from 77th to 32nd in total offense and from 58th to 23rd in total scoring. LSU also became the first team in SEC history to have a 3,000 yard passer, a 1,000 yard rusher, and two 1,000 yard receivers. And he helped Mett become a legit NFL QB prospect.
And just looking at ppg and yards isnt a true indicator for what Cameron did. even though we jumped up 45spots in total offense and 35spots in total scoring. Its how we did it. LSU was much more balaned and efficient on offense last year than previous years.
In 2012, Mett was 207 / 352 (58.8%) for 2609 yards (7.41yards per pass) for 12 TDs / 7 INTs. 128.3QBR. In the rushing game, we ran the ball 527 times for 2258yards (4.3ypc) and 29TDs.
This past season (2013) Mett was 192 / 296 (64.9%) for 2082yards (10yards per pass) and 22TDs to 8 INTs. 171.4QBR. In the rushing game, we ran the ball 523times for 2630yards (5.0ypc) and 37 TDs.
Scoring and yardage wise, in 2012 we had 4,865 total yards with 387points on 879 plays. This past season, we had 5,893yards with 465pts on 819 plays.
So, we ran less plays total in 2013 than we did in 2012(less pass attempts and rushing attempts), yet we had right around 1,000 yards more and 80points on the year. Way more productive and efficient, and most of all, balanced. We were a much more complete team with both legit pass and running threat.
And just watch the difference between 2012 and this past season. Its obivous how much improved we were as an offense overall. Anyone that watched and actually paid attention to the games, and not just yards / points, will tell you that. I have no clue how someone can say that Cam didnt do anything for the offense / couldnt see it.
Just read this: LINK
This post was edited on 5/25/14 at 8:12 pm
Posted on 5/25/14 at 10:04 pm to oldschoolgreats
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i realize cam is from the NFL. however, people keep talking about what cam did for the offense. i don't see it. cam was handed hill, obj, mett, landry, turner, collins. thats the best group of offensive talent in the les miles era. i saw a lot of individual stats but i don't see how the offense scored that many more points than in previous years or won us any games with come from behind scoring (ie georgia). cam is a very good coach but i didn't see any impact on WINS last year.
If you think the combo of Stud & Miles would have yielded similar results, prayers.
Posted on 5/26/14 at 8:26 am to ItNeverRains
I've always said cam was a very good coach. the fact that the offense improved statistically is not the point. stud was the oc in 2012 and thus 2012 was just another bad year. any good oc would have achieved a statistical improvement over stud given the talent we had to work with.
Posted on 5/26/14 at 8:49 am to oldschoolgreats
Seeing that you have zero evidence to backup your baseless claim, it must be true.
Posted on 5/26/14 at 10:22 am to oldschoolgreats
Same players were there previous year and offense was not good. You didn't see any difference? 
You're also not remembering how bad this defense was. If not for our O last year, we could easily have lost 5+ games. D was that bad.
You're also not remembering how bad this defense was. If not for our O last year, we could easily have lost 5+ games. D was that bad.
Posted on 5/26/14 at 2:08 pm to oldschoolgreats
Either there were a bunch of dumbarses posting in this thread or just a couple of loud mouths who can't stop posting their foolishness. I will try to summarize why these people might be of lesser IQs...
First of all, LSU has the best staff in the nation and this will be proven over the next few years in the win column.
Yes, Cam is responsible for the exact type of turnaround in the ofense that we LSU fans have been shouting for since Lee and JJ started competing for a starting role.
Cam's practices are a major reason why the offense is going to stay very efficient relative to those of the recent past. The defense always practiced fast and intensely but the offense only started matching the defenses speed and aggression when Cam showed up.
Anyone who is mental enough to post that previous LSU teams didn't have the same level of talent than the 2013 squad are not worthy of joining the discussions at the grown up table until they take a three week course of how to truly watch a footbal game.
Cam would have never played JJ because JJ had no conception of timing routes and he always waited to throw he ball after his target was open because he was so scared of throwing ints. Lee might have been the man and he would have been leading the same guys but those guys would have also benefited from Cam's influence so games like Bama where he was picked would not have happened like that.
JJ was most likely a great practice QB when he knew what the defenses were doing but when an unfamiliar opponent showed up he woud get scared that he would misread coverages, etc which led to his being the worst passing QB in the history of mankind.
Finally, Cam > Any of Les' previous OC's with the only one in consideration being Jimbo. Any LSU fan who does not agree is on my shite list.
First of all, LSU has the best staff in the nation and this will be proven over the next few years in the win column.
Yes, Cam is responsible for the exact type of turnaround in the ofense that we LSU fans have been shouting for since Lee and JJ started competing for a starting role.
Cam's practices are a major reason why the offense is going to stay very efficient relative to those of the recent past. The defense always practiced fast and intensely but the offense only started matching the defenses speed and aggression when Cam showed up.
Anyone who is mental enough to post that previous LSU teams didn't have the same level of talent than the 2013 squad are not worthy of joining the discussions at the grown up table until they take a three week course of how to truly watch a footbal game.
Cam would have never played JJ because JJ had no conception of timing routes and he always waited to throw he ball after his target was open because he was so scared of throwing ints. Lee might have been the man and he would have been leading the same guys but those guys would have also benefited from Cam's influence so games like Bama where he was picked would not have happened like that.
JJ was most likely a great practice QB when he knew what the defenses were doing but when an unfamiliar opponent showed up he woud get scared that he would misread coverages, etc which led to his being the worst passing QB in the history of mankind.
Finally, Cam > Any of Les' previous OC's with the only one in consideration being Jimbo. Any LSU fan who does not agree is on my shite list.
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