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re: Cam Cameron the main reason Malachi Dupre chose LSU.
Posted on 5/21/14 at 10:24 am to Mattwells90
Posted on 5/21/14 at 10:24 am to Mattwells90
so you are saying that cam would have turned jj into a top notch qb. we never had 2 wr like obj and landry in the past. also, compare the ol in 2013 versus 2011 or 2010. that had a lot to do with passing game.
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Posted on 5/21/14 at 10:30 am to oldschoolgreats
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our offense has scored points EVERY year. comparing 2013 to 2012. how many points did we scored on bama in 2013 under cam versus 2012. how about ole piss 2013 vs. 2012. we lost both gaes in 2013. not saying cam isn't a very good coach but 2013 is more a function of seasoned offensive talent than cam. see nfl draft.
I believe you are "misremembering." Our defense has scored a lot of our points in recent past. In 2012, we had 29 rushing TDs and 12 receiving. In 2013, we had 37 rushing TDs and 23 receiving. We doubled our receiving TD output and put up an additional 48 points from rushing. Our offense was lighting-fricking-years better in 2013 than it was in 2012.
While we scored 17 on Alabama in both 2013 and 2012, you do remember that that was the game when everybody saw what Mettenberger could maybe do given the right coach and system, right? It was by far his best game of the year.
As for Ole Miss, we played like dogshit. No way around it. Ole Miss played out of their minds. Our defense couldn't get off the field. And if you notice, LSU put up 24 points in the second half after the players got their asses reamed for the first half.
Taking anecdotal evidence to prove your point does not make your point valid. I can say "Hey, look! We pummeled Mississippi State, racking up 59 points!" or "We put up 34 on A&M and Manziel. In the cold and rain! Our offense was unbelievable!" Come on, dude. You know damn well our offense was better last year than in 2012 and a huge part of that is Cam Cameron.
Posted on 5/21/14 at 10:30 am to oldschoolgreats
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we never had 2 wr like obj and landry in the past.
Just a coincidence I suppose.
Posted on 5/21/14 at 10:33 am to oldschoolgreats
I'm not saying Cam would have made JJ or Lee into Andrew Luck but I would bet that if Lee and JJ spent 4 years under Cam, they would have been significantly better than they were in 2011
Posted on 5/21/14 at 10:35 am to oldschoolgreats
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also, compare the ol in 2013 versus 2011 or 2010. that had a lot to do with passing game.
Our OL in 2011 helped us score 35 rushing TDs. They were monsters. In a year when it was clear that we couldn't throw the ball, 2010, we still managed to rack up 29 rushing TDs. Don't blame the oline. The quarterback play was shite-tastic. And we had Randle and Toliver in 2010, 2 Wideouts that should have been highly drafted and one of whom was actually highly drafted despite the terrible quarterback play. In 2011 we had Randle and OBJ. We have had talent at WR going back to 2004.
Posted on 5/21/14 at 10:37 am to oldschoolgreats
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we never had 2 wr like obj and landry in the past.
We had two first round receivers in Dwayne Bowe and Craig Davis with Early Doucet, Demetrius Byrd, and Terrance Toliver right behind them on the depth chart in 2007.
Posted on 5/21/14 at 10:37 am to Mattwells90
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would bet that if Lee and JJ spent 4 years under Cam, they would have been significantly better than they were in 2011
Absolutely.
Posted on 5/21/14 at 10:54 am to oldschoolgreats
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i realize cam is from the NFL. however, people keep talking about what cam did for the offense. i don't see it. cam was handed hill, obj, mett, landry, turner, collins. thats the best group of offensive talent in the les miles era. i saw a lot of individual stats but i don't see how the offense scored that many more points than in previous years or won us any games with come from behind scoring (ie georgia). cam is a very good coach but i didn't see any impact on WINS last year.
Posted on 5/21/14 at 11:00 am to oldschoolgreats
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cam is a very good coach but i didn't see any impact on WINS last year.
Cam wasn't coaching the defense...
Posted on 5/21/14 at 11:54 am to Salmon
i know the following: 1) the offense lost the game against ole piss with mett throwing 3 ints in first half. miles is correct in that you can't win the sec with a pass happy offense (see jamarcus russell). the defense lost the georgia game. both sides lost the alabama game.
it doesn't matter if the offense was better in 2013 vs. 2012. no one cares if we beat arky by 40-10 or 20-10. both are victories. once again, cam is a very good coach but i don't think he had much to do with the success of hill or turneror obj. you're giving him too much credit and you should only get credit for additional wins and not stats of how he offense looked compared to a piece of shite oc in stud.
it doesn't matter if the offense was better in 2013 vs. 2012. no one cares if we beat arky by 40-10 or 20-10. both are victories. once again, cam is a very good coach but i don't think he had much to do with the success of hill or turneror obj. you're giving him too much credit and you should only get credit for additional wins and not stats of how he offense looked compared to a piece of shite oc in stud.
Posted on 5/21/14 at 12:07 pm to oldschoolgreats
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so you are saying that cam would have turned jj into a top notch qb. we never had 2 wr like obj and landry in the past. also, compare the ol in 2013 versus 2011 or 2010. that had a lot to do with passing game.
JJ as a true sophomore
LaFell 57 rec 792 yards 11 TDs
Toliver 53 rec 735 yards 3 TDs
Randle 11 rec 173 yards 2 TDs
Mett as a redshirt senior
Landry 77 rec 1193 yards 10 TDs
Beckham 59 rec 1152 yards 8 TDs
Dural 7 rec 149 yards 2 TDs
I think JJ coached by Cam, could have had a big year in 2010 with Toliver and Randle.
Posted on 5/21/14 at 12:09 pm to Mattwells90
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I'm not saying Cam would have made JJ or Lee into Andrew Luck but I would bet that if Lee and JJ spent 4 years under Cam, they would have been significantly better than they were in 2011
If Cam had been here I highly doubt JJ would have saw the field. Lee had the smarts to grasp what a good coach could teach him. Something we didn't have the whole time he was here.
I am not saying JJ was dumb but his attitude and lack of leadership would have kept him off the field. Cam just does not put up with that bullshite. This is why the WR's saw such an improvement this year.
If Cam had been here the past 4 yrs Bama wouldn't have 3 MNC. I truly believe that.
And unlike oldschoolgreats the recruits can see the difference. I think it will take one more year but I expect and MNC soon!
This post was edited on 5/21/14 at 12:12 pm
Posted on 5/21/14 at 12:12 pm to offshoretrash
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I am not saying JJ was dumb
Yes you are and yes he was.
Deleted because I'm an idiot.
This post was edited on 5/21/14 at 12:25 pm
Posted on 5/21/14 at 12:12 pm to oldschoolgreats
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once again, cam is a very good coach but i don't think he had much to do with the success of hill or turneror obj. you're giving him too much credit and you should only get credit for additional wins and not stats of how he offense looked compared to a piece of shite oc in stud.
Look moron, the players themselves gave Cam credit numerous times on improving their play. Seriously! Go watch some interviews of Landry, Beckham, Hill, and Mett. They bring this up A LOT. Unless you think they are just lying, or people are telling them to say it.
This post was edited on 5/21/14 at 12:15 pm
Posted on 5/21/14 at 12:14 pm to LoveThatMoney
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How can you say this while simultaneously saying that he doesn't/didn't contribute to our success last year?
WTF are you talking about? I 100% believe that Cam was the key to our success. With out him we win 6 or 7 games.
Posted on 5/21/14 at 12:14 pm to Duckie
I think Grimes could have a chance to be at that level, or very close, too. He seems to be off to a great start on the recruiting front & is a solid technician--a vast & huge improvement over his predecessor.
Posted on 5/21/14 at 12:15 pm to offshoretrash
Deleted for failure to read the previous poster's name properly because I'm an idiot.
This post was edited on 5/21/14 at 12:25 pm
Posted on 5/21/14 at 12:17 pm to LoveThatMoney
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THEN HOW THE frick CAN YOU ARGUE THAT HE DIDN'T CONTRIBUTE TO OUR WINNING LAST YEAR??
What the frick is wrong with you? I have never said that Cam wasn't the key to our success.
I AM AGREEING WITH YOU THAT HE WAS!
Posted on 5/21/14 at 12:18 pm to rjokerlsu
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I think Grimes could have a chance to be at that level,
We will be saying the same thing about him. Home run hire!
Posted on 5/21/14 at 12:20 pm to LoveThatMoney
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THEN HOW THE frick CAN YOU ARGUE THAT HE DIDN'T CONTRIBUTE TO OUR WINNING LAST YEAR?? What the fricking frick shite cock god frick...
I think you have that poster mixed up with the other poster?
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