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re: Are we pushing hard for porter gustin and Tyron Johnson Clemson on top now
Posted on 8/19/14 at 8:51 am to BayouBengal99
Posted on 8/19/14 at 8:51 am to BayouBengal99
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BayouBengal99
quote:This had Landon Collins written all over it; without Landon in his ear, he would have been here. Oh well.
After Willis picked FL over LSU
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Posted on 8/19/14 at 8:59 am to dos crystal
quote:Who said EVERY school? You can't even fathom capital letters, so there's no reason trying to explain to you that recruiting has been going on before last year. Also, you'd never understand that we were outworked in Monroe, one of the reasons Stud's at UM.
Yep, every coach and school out works our staff. that's why we had the #2 class last year. Freaking lazy arse lsu coaches
Posted on 8/19/14 at 9:01 am to Cincinnati Bowtie
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you'd never understand that we were outworked in Monroe,
Posted on 8/19/14 at 9:03 am to Cincinnati Bowtie
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Also, you'd never understand that we were outworked in Monroe, one of the reasons Stud's at UM.
Because STUD was outworked in Monroe. He was never the same recruiter after being demoted down from OC. He checked out. As soon as Brick started covering WM things changed, but it was too late for that class. Miles saw what happened and made a change, don't act like it's some systemic issue.
Posted on 8/19/14 at 9:08 am to TheDrunkenTigah
It has been systemic. How many times has a kid said another school seemed to want me more, because they kept in better contact?
How do you know it's a different story now? Too late for Moton, too?
Btw, Brick is NOT in Monroe.
How do you know it's a different story now? Too late for Moton, too?
Btw, Brick is NOT in Monroe.
This post was edited on 8/19/14 at 9:10 am
Posted on 8/19/14 at 9:12 am to Cincinnati Bowtie
quote:Lol, no, he's busy finishing second in Georgia and the East Coast.
Btw, Brick is NOT in Monroe.
Posted on 8/19/14 at 9:15 am to Cincinnati Bowtie
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Too late for Moton, too?
staff doesn't want moton fwiw and you would see why if you see him play in person
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Btw, Brick is NOT in Monroe.
he was towards the end of last year
This post was edited on 8/19/14 at 9:17 am
Posted on 8/19/14 at 9:16 am to Carville
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Lol, no, he's busy finishing second in Georgia and the East Coast.
this is an ignorant statement
Posted on 8/19/14 at 9:34 am to Cincinnati Bowtie
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It has been systemic. How many times has a kid said another school seemed to want me more, because they kept in better contact?
Outside of Stud's recruits, next to none of the guys LSU really wanted have said this, and with the ones who have it's been an obvious cop-out. You're letting the Palelei recruitment shape your opinion on this. Besides that, you just read the comments from Charlot's coach saying he's about to change his number so UT coaches can't blow up his phone. What works for one kid might piss another off. Recruiting isn't just as simple as 'putting in more work' but it's an easy scapegoat, just like the budget, when armchair coaches think they could do better.
Posted on 8/19/14 at 9:36 am to redfieldk717
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this is an ignorant statement
Thread's frickin full of em, just another day on this board.
Posted on 8/19/14 at 9:49 am to TheDrunkenTigah
On phone and don't feel like typing it all out, but I disagree strongly about the budget stuff.
However, I've seen a big change from LSU for the better since cam was hired. We are fighting fire with fire now.
However, I've seen a big change from LSU for the better since cam was hired. We are fighting fire with fire now.
Posted on 8/19/14 at 9:59 am to Ironhead985
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Throwing up the "Buga" sign one day, then announcing Clemson as his leader the next
Yeah stuff like this is why its not fun to follow recruiting anymore.
Posted on 8/19/14 at 10:07 am to BigEdLSU
It's been beaten to death. Until Arkansas pulls in a higher rated class than us (they spent almost 700K in 2011) then I'm not buying it. Tennesee spends 1.5 mil annually, to not even crack the top ten. Georgia Tech spent 900K (fourth most of any school) to land... wait for it... the #41 rated class. Recruiting powerhouses Texas Tech and North Carolina also spent more than us in 2011 as we finished with one of our best classes ever. It might sound great, but when you really look at the numbers, the budget arguement doesn't hold water.
Posted on 8/19/14 at 10:12 am to TheDrunkenTigah
I'd be willing to bet the Patterson bro hiring won't go to the recruiting budget, but its obviously a fixed cost.
Stuff like that is refreshing to see IMO.
Stuff like that is refreshing to see IMO.
Posted on 8/19/14 at 10:20 am to TheDrunkenTigah
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It's been beaten to death. Until Arkansas pulls in a higher rated class than us (they spent almost 700K in 2011) then I'm not buying it. Tennesee spends 1.5 mil annually, to not even crack the top ten. Georgia Tech spent 900K (fourth most of any school) to land... wait for it... the #41 rated class. Recruiting powerhouses Texas Tech and North Carolina also spent more than us in 2011 as we finished with one of our best classes ever. It might sound great, but when you really look at the numbers, the budget arguement doesn't hold water.
I can agree to an extent, however, I also believe in keeping up with the Joneses.
I think it should increase significantly, because I don't want to be left behind. Keep it this way until we really notice a significant recruiting decline and it's too late. It's easier to keep things running smoothly through incremental increases in budgets than to try to catch up.
Posted on 8/19/14 at 10:20 am to BigEdLSU
I completely agree, but that just supports what I'm saying. It won't go under the recruiting column in the budget. Hell, paying highschool coaches to come to camps probably doesn't either, but we do that every year and probably dish out just as much money as anyone else in this area considering all the local highschools we need to stay in the good graces of. The recruiting budget is a direct reflection of 1) how much travel costs your coaches use to visit recruits and 2) how much it costs to pay a recruit and their family's cost on an official visit. When three quarters of the class lives in your state, it's not hard to see why those specific costs are lower for LSU, even if you do hit OOS hard. That's why Tennessee spends a fortune every year, there's not jack shite for local talent there.
Posted on 8/19/14 at 10:22 am to TheDrunkenTigah
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I completely agree, but that just supports what I'm saying. It won't go under the recruiting column in the budget. Hell, paying highschool coaches to come to camps probably doesn't either, but we do that every year and probably dish out just as much money as anyone else in this area considering all the local highschools we need to stay in the good graces of. The recruiting budget is a direct reflection of 1) how much travel costs your coaches use to visit recruits and 2) how much it costs to pay a recruit and their family's cost on an official visit. When three quarters of the class lives in your state, it's not hard to see why those specific costs are lower for LSU, even if you do hit OOS hard. That's why Tennessee spends a fortune every year, there's not jack shite for local talent there.
I just want more talent evaluators hired and a bigger recruiting staff.
Posted on 8/19/14 at 10:24 am to TheDrunkenTigah
quote:to add to this... didn't LF7 say something in his announcement about how he hated being contacted so much?
Outside of Stud's recruits, next to none of the guys LSU really wanted have said this, and with the ones who have it's been an obvious cop-out. You're letting the Palelei recruitment shape your opinion on this. Besides that, you just read the comments from Charlot's coach saying he's about to change his number so UT coaches can't blow up his phone. What works for one kid might piss another off. Recruiting isn't just as simple as 'putting in more work' but it's an easy scapegoat, just like the budget, when armchair coaches think they could do better.
Side Note 1:
When I heard Fournette say that I wondered if he was politely saying I wish I could have ended it sooner, but if I had ESPN wouldn't let me have my day.
Side Note 2:
Some of us remember when getting a letter in the mail or a phone call was exciting or rare. Now I want to set shite on fire every time I get an email or someone calls while taking a dump. Maybe the days of all-out contact (for many recruits, not all; e.g. Tony Brown) have ended. With technology today "contact" is nothing special combined with the nation wide recruiting and blanket coverage it may be an annoyance. It also MAY be a matter of timing more than frequency... again I use the Tony Brown example.
quote:I want LSU to get themselves a small army of those administrative, non-coaching positions, like "quality control assistants" like the Gumps (and others) have. You know, to do those non-evaluation evaluations they do. I think those type positions are the reason for inflated recruiting budgets at some schools.
I just want more talent evaluators hired and a bigger recruiting staff.
This post was edited on 8/19/14 at 10:28 am
Posted on 8/19/14 at 10:25 am to Duckie
Well put, fully agree
Posted on 8/19/14 at 10:32 am to Duckie
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It's easier to keep things running smoothly through incremental increases in budgets than to try to catch up.
This is always where the argument leads, and then I ask this same question and never get an answer. What, specifically, should LSU spend more money on? Our coaches recruit every hour of every day that the NCAA allows them to. Money can't create more hours in the day, or make a pitch better. The only variable, is whether they're driving to Nola ($60 in gas) to see Tyron Johnson versus booking a flight to Oregon ($1000) to see a pac12 guy who will probably just stay home. Bear in mind, with that tank of gas, this coach can drop by eight other Nola highschools and check in on prospects from multiple classes.
Aside from all that, do you really think that the coaches take the budget into consideration if an OOS kid shows interest? Would we tell a Cali 5-star he can't take his official to us just because it's not in the budget? Hell no. People seem to have this idea that the budget is handed to the coaches and they're told not to spend over. I see it completely the other way around. The coaches do what they think they should and spend what they need, and the budget just reflects what it cost afterwards. For LSU, that just happens to be a lower number.
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