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Prioritizing power tools for a home woodworking shop
Posted on 4/3/24 at 7:20 am
Posted on 4/3/24 at 7:20 am
Rebuilding my workshop. I’m unsure at this time what I’ll be building. In the past I’ve built custom request furniture. I don’t want to do that anymore, because having a full time job, the pressure to get someone’s order done was too much stress and I didn’t enjoy it. I want to build what I want, when I want. I can put it up for sale if the wife decides she’ doesn’t want to keep it.
What order, to purchase, would you put these tools in.
Table Saw: I have one that is usable, but I’m doing a full built in outfeed/assembly table for my next one
Track Saw: Never had one, want one to break down sheet goods, but after a few home projects, not sure how much I would use it.
Jointer: would be great to have, since a lot of my projects have been a little bit lower grade/quality for not being able to properly mill the lumber. Would also really be helpful to have when building out my shop, since I plan on using big box lumber. I know, I know, but it’s convenient and with a job, and home responsibilities, I have to settle on convenience most of the time.
Planer: same reason as jointer.
Dust collection: I have a shop vac at the moment that isn’t cutting it.
MORE CLAMPS: can you have too many?
Upgraded/larger drill press
What I already have
Circular saw, drills, impacts, plenty of hand tools (except maybe for some higher end chisels), janky table saw, brand new Bosch plunge router and edge guide that I’ve never even used (Christmas gift), belt sander, RO sander, kreg foreman, small drill press, small band saw, not enough clamps
What order, to purchase, would you put these tools in.
Table Saw: I have one that is usable, but I’m doing a full built in outfeed/assembly table for my next one
Track Saw: Never had one, want one to break down sheet goods, but after a few home projects, not sure how much I would use it.
Jointer: would be great to have, since a lot of my projects have been a little bit lower grade/quality for not being able to properly mill the lumber. Would also really be helpful to have when building out my shop, since I plan on using big box lumber. I know, I know, but it’s convenient and with a job, and home responsibilities, I have to settle on convenience most of the time.
Planer: same reason as jointer.
Dust collection: I have a shop vac at the moment that isn’t cutting it.
MORE CLAMPS: can you have too many?
Upgraded/larger drill press
What I already have
Circular saw, drills, impacts, plenty of hand tools (except maybe for some higher end chisels), janky table saw, brand new Bosch plunge router and edge guide that I’ve never even used (Christmas gift), belt sander, RO sander, kreg foreman, small drill press, small band saw, not enough clamps
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Posted on 4/3/24 at 7:23 am to VanRIch
quote:
Track Saw: Never had one, want one to break down sheet goods, but after a few home projects, not sure how much I would use it.
I bought the Kreg circular saw track that attached to whatever circular saw you already have. I bought it to do our butcher block counter tops but I use it constantly now.
Posted on 4/3/24 at 7:25 am to VanRIch
band saw
drill press
clamps
dust collection
drill press
clamps
dust collection
Posted on 4/3/24 at 8:57 am to VanRIch
quote:
Jointer: would be great to have, since a lot of my projects have been a little bit lower grade/quality for not being able to properly mill the lumber. Would also really be helpful to have when building out my shop, since I plan on using big box lumber. I know, I know, but it’s convenient and with a job, and home responsibilities, I have to settle on convenience most of the time.
Planer: same reason as jointer.
My ex-father-in-law had a Planer/Jointer combo machine. He never regretted getting that.
Posted on 4/3/24 at 9:32 am to VanRIch
Table Saw
Dust Collection
Planer
You can get by without a jointer with a table saw jig. You can get by without a tracksaw with a decent 1x6 board.
Dust Collection
Planer
You can get by without a jointer with a table saw jig. You can get by without a tracksaw with a decent 1x6 board.
Posted on 4/3/24 at 10:03 am to VanRIch
My track saw is my favorite tool. Have built cabinet boxes without touching the table saw.
I'd prioritize a planer jointer combo. It's cheaper and more space saving to just bite the bullet and get a 12" combo. Game changer for materials you can use.
I'd look into building your own router station in the assembly/outfeed table using a high quality router lift. Also a game changer for me.
If this setup is not going to change, prioritize dust collection. It is too easy to do and makes the shop experience so much more enjoyable.
I'd prioritize a planer jointer combo. It's cheaper and more space saving to just bite the bullet and get a 12" combo. Game changer for materials you can use.
I'd look into building your own router station in the assembly/outfeed table using a high quality router lift. Also a game changer for me.
If this setup is not going to change, prioritize dust collection. It is too easy to do and makes the shop experience so much more enjoyable.
Posted on 4/3/24 at 10:08 am to VanRIch
obviously a table saw.
I used a plywood track guide with a circ saw for a long time and it did alright.
A thickness planer is something I didn't know how much I needed. Getting all your work down to the exact same thickness makes joining things up way more satisfying. Being able to run an old board through with old varish, ect on it and easily take it down to fresh wood is way better then sanding.
I used a plywood track guide with a circ saw for a long time and it did alright.
A thickness planer is something I didn't know how much I needed. Getting all your work down to the exact same thickness makes joining things up way more satisfying. Being able to run an old board through with old varish, ect on it and easily take it down to fresh wood is way better then sanding.
Posted on 4/3/24 at 10:17 am to baseballmind1212
Thanks for all the responses everyone
I was planning on doing the router lift in my miter station to make double use of the fence. But I’m wondering if I’ll need more room for the router station as the miter station will be against the wall and the outfeed/assembly table will be in the middle of the space. Here is a mock-up of what I’m thinking. It’s missing a lot as I have a lot of the components in sketch up hidden so I can see the construction better.
L shaped table is Outfeed/assembly/table saw(yellow square)
Miter station on left. Another assembly/finishing table towards the top. Dust collection in corner.
quote:
I'd look into building your own router station in the assembly/outfeed table using a high quality router lift. Also a game changer for me
I was planning on doing the router lift in my miter station to make double use of the fence. But I’m wondering if I’ll need more room for the router station as the miter station will be against the wall and the outfeed/assembly table will be in the middle of the space. Here is a mock-up of what I’m thinking. It’s missing a lot as I have a lot of the components in sketch up hidden so I can see the construction better.
L shaped table is Outfeed/assembly/table saw(yellow square)
Miter station on left. Another assembly/finishing table towards the top. Dust collection in corner.
Posted on 4/3/24 at 10:32 am to VanRIch
quote:I used to think the same thing but I really end up using it more than my table saw these days.
Track Saw: Never had one, want one to break down sheet goods, but after a few home projects, not sure how much I would use it.
quote:Nope. Between bar clamps, pipe clamps, and squeeze clamps I have about 40. Wish I had about 5-10 more of each.
MORE CLAMPS: can you have too many?
quote:I use my jointer more than my planer. It's a cheap Craftsman but gets the joby done.
Jointer: would be great to have, since a lot of my projects have been a little bit lower grade/quality for not being able to properly mill the lumber. Would also really be helpful to have when building out my shop, since I plan on using big box lumber. I know, I know, but it’s convenient and with a job, and home responsibilities, I have to settle on convenience most of the time.
Posted on 4/3/24 at 11:43 am to VanRIch
I'd just start keeping my eyes out for deals and likely go in that order to upgrade.
I see Grizzly has a 10" cabinet table saw half off with free freight.
10" Cabinet Table Saw Link
I see Grizzly has a 10" cabinet table saw half off with free freight.
10" Cabinet Table Saw Link
This post was edited on 4/3/24 at 11:44 am
Posted on 4/3/24 at 1:23 pm to VanRIch
All in my small 2 car garage only taking up one side I've got the following and don't regret any of the purchases. I will admit with 2 kids and a few other hobbies, I don't get in there very often and a simple project like a humidor takes months because I don't want to get started unless I can spare 4 hours . 
Table Saw: 1st purchase. I have a Used Sawstop 3hp Professional Cabinet Saw. It's pricey, but I found it used and it made the level of my projects skyrocket. Super accurate, clean with dust collection, safe. etc..
Planer: 2nd Purchase. Currently have a 13" Lunchbox Dewalt. It works verywell and I can't justify a full 15"+ standalone unit. Absolutely necessary to build things and not be limited to designing within dimensions of store-bought lumber.
Dust Collection: 3rd Purchase. Need it with a jointer and it will make everything else work better. Have a used Jet 1.5 HP unit I got when I bought the table saw. It's not the best system in the world, and I'm not super anal about setting up every cut to get every spec of dust. I have the table saw hard-piped in and one 4" flex hose for the other tools. It keeps me from being ankle deep in sawdust.
Bandsaw: 4th purchase. If you have a jointer and planer, I'd recommend getting a larger bandsaw. You can save a lot of wood by resawing. No need to turn 50% of a 2" board into sawdust just because you needed a 1" part. Plus there are other obvious uses.
Jointer: 5th purchase. If you are using rough lumber, it's almost necessary. I got by with just a planer and some jigs so that's why it's a little far down. But infinitely faster to get the job done right with a jointer. I'd only get it if I were getting an 8" full size system. I have a used Grizzly with a helical head.
Track Saw: 6th Purchase. This was my first jump into expensive tools and I got a Festool. Many more options out there now. With the full size table saw w/ outfeed, I don't need it as much. But there are times that you can get finish quality that is way harder to get with any other tool. This isn't quite the same investment as the other tools, so can maybe slide this in between somewhere too.
Router Table: 7th purchase. I stopped short of splurging on this, then haven't had as much time. But it's the next thing I'd add. Helps with a lot of the work. I have a router plate built into my outfeed table, but it's not the same quick adjustment and dust collection you can get from a dedicated table.
Drill press: 8th purchase. Admittedly I have a terrible hand-me-down Harbor Freight contertop press. But I find myself using this the least.
Table Saw: 1st purchase. I have a Used Sawstop 3hp Professional Cabinet Saw. It's pricey, but I found it used and it made the level of my projects skyrocket. Super accurate, clean with dust collection, safe. etc..
Planer: 2nd Purchase. Currently have a 13" Lunchbox Dewalt. It works verywell and I can't justify a full 15"+ standalone unit. Absolutely necessary to build things and not be limited to designing within dimensions of store-bought lumber.
Dust Collection: 3rd Purchase. Need it with a jointer and it will make everything else work better. Have a used Jet 1.5 HP unit I got when I bought the table saw. It's not the best system in the world, and I'm not super anal about setting up every cut to get every spec of dust. I have the table saw hard-piped in and one 4" flex hose for the other tools. It keeps me from being ankle deep in sawdust.
Bandsaw: 4th purchase. If you have a jointer and planer, I'd recommend getting a larger bandsaw. You can save a lot of wood by resawing. No need to turn 50% of a 2" board into sawdust just because you needed a 1" part. Plus there are other obvious uses.
Jointer: 5th purchase. If you are using rough lumber, it's almost necessary. I got by with just a planer and some jigs so that's why it's a little far down. But infinitely faster to get the job done right with a jointer. I'd only get it if I were getting an 8" full size system. I have a used Grizzly with a helical head.
Track Saw: 6th Purchase. This was my first jump into expensive tools and I got a Festool. Many more options out there now. With the full size table saw w/ outfeed, I don't need it as much. But there are times that you can get finish quality that is way harder to get with any other tool. This isn't quite the same investment as the other tools, so can maybe slide this in between somewhere too.
Router Table: 7th purchase. I stopped short of splurging on this, then haven't had as much time. But it's the next thing I'd add. Helps with a lot of the work. I have a router plate built into my outfeed table, but it's not the same quick adjustment and dust collection you can get from a dedicated table.
Drill press: 8th purchase. Admittedly I have a terrible hand-me-down Harbor Freight contertop press. But I find myself using this the least.
Posted on 4/3/24 at 1:57 pm to VanRIch
If you're planning on building a custom outfeed table for your table saw, get the saw first. I say that for two reasons. One, your shop/workflow will likely be laid out around the table saw. Two, whatever custom outfeed table you build should double as both another work surface and storage unit. Take it from someone who did it backwards, it is a hassle to make something fit a tool it wasn't designed for.
At the same time, get the bones of your dust collection figured out. Buy a little more than you think you need and plan for expansion. Your layout dictates your duct/hose runs. Your table saw should be the primary concern there.
I'd get a decent router table, would go with the most portable option for the track saw, and consider getting a bandsaw (used is perfectly fine, as 95% of band saw issues are in the tuning and setup). For me, a miter saw is essential. I laid out my table saw and miter saw at the same height as a work bench I have for extra support of long cuts.
My router is on a table with wheels, as is both jointers, and the planer, though the planer rarely ever moves. It is in line with the aforementioned work table which serves as extra outfeed. I built large boxes on wheels to tuck under a built-in workbench on one wall and under my table saw outfeed/work table. Those boxes double as portable work surfaces and storage for hand tools.
Oh, my table saw outfeed table/workbench has a detachable wing that attaches with two bolts and wingnuts. When I have the need to cut full sheet goods on the table saw I slap it on (takes about 2 minutes) and I can safely cut a full sheet by myself. It is detachable in order to save floor space, being that I rarely need it.
I also lucked into finding a custom downdraft sanding table/cabinet that is pretty big. It uses rolled filters and furnace filters and is powered by a squirrel cage fan. To provide more work surface I built a false top that I can just put on and take off when needed. It hangs on the backside of the cabinet. The cabinet has extra plugs for sandere or anything else I may need to run.
I can run it along with my custom built air cleaner on the wall and clear out most dust and residual fumes in short order.
My shop isn't "big" by any means and I fit everything in it comfortably.
ETA: Every custom table I built I designed with levelers on the legs. If things get shifted or moved I can just raise or lower the table to match the height of the tool.
At the same time, get the bones of your dust collection figured out. Buy a little more than you think you need and plan for expansion. Your layout dictates your duct/hose runs. Your table saw should be the primary concern there.
I'd get a decent router table, would go with the most portable option for the track saw, and consider getting a bandsaw (used is perfectly fine, as 95% of band saw issues are in the tuning and setup). For me, a miter saw is essential. I laid out my table saw and miter saw at the same height as a work bench I have for extra support of long cuts.
My router is on a table with wheels, as is both jointers, and the planer, though the planer rarely ever moves. It is in line with the aforementioned work table which serves as extra outfeed. I built large boxes on wheels to tuck under a built-in workbench on one wall and under my table saw outfeed/work table. Those boxes double as portable work surfaces and storage for hand tools.
Oh, my table saw outfeed table/workbench has a detachable wing that attaches with two bolts and wingnuts. When I have the need to cut full sheet goods on the table saw I slap it on (takes about 2 minutes) and I can safely cut a full sheet by myself. It is detachable in order to save floor space, being that I rarely need it.
I also lucked into finding a custom downdraft sanding table/cabinet that is pretty big. It uses rolled filters and furnace filters and is powered by a squirrel cage fan. To provide more work surface I built a false top that I can just put on and take off when needed. It hangs on the backside of the cabinet. The cabinet has extra plugs for sandere or anything else I may need to run.
I can run it along with my custom built air cleaner on the wall and clear out most dust and residual fumes in short order.
My shop isn't "big" by any means and I fit everything in it comfortably.
ETA: Every custom table I built I designed with levelers on the legs. If things get shifted or moved I can just raise or lower the table to match the height of the tool.
This post was edited on 4/3/24 at 2:18 pm
Posted on 4/3/24 at 2:07 pm to VanRIch
Cordless trim router, I have have 4 routers and my Dewalt cordless is the most used. I have 3 corded routers in sizes up to a 12A Bosch 1/2" in a cabinet but am looking into a larger for flattening. Really you don't need much equipment as much as you need jigs, fixtures, and work holding.
Posted on 4/3/24 at 2:14 pm to LegendInMyMind
As far as particulars of what to buy. The best table saw you can afford. It doesn't have to be the flashiest to do good work, but going too cheap will cause headaches.
For a planer, the Dewalt DW735 wins most comparisons for a reason. I've ran mine for going on 15 years now. I run carbide blades. You can buy the Helix head to swap out the cutter heads if you want, but it is fine "out of the box".
The Dewalt 10" compound miter saw is what I went with. The "fancier" 10" one. I added the outfeed supports to it. It has been a good one.
I have an import Delta knockoff bandsaw that I bought used. It has a riser block added. I can re-saw just about anything I need. Like I said, 95% of bandsaw issues can be solved in the tuning and setup.
I have both a 4" and 6" jointer. Both are old, antique Craftsman belt driven machines, all iron. They work for what I do.
I have a 3.25HP Triton router in my table. For bits, just buy a decent combo set of bits, and spend good money on the specialty bits you may need in the future. I'm not ashamed to say that I still use several bits from a Harbor Freight "Lifetime Carbide" set I bought 12+ years ago. A palm router is handy, and I also have a small 1.5hp plunge router. I hate using a router by hand, so I avoid it whenever possible.
A good dado blade set is handy. A good one. Cheap, or limited sets, can be a pain. I use a full stack Freud set that came with spacers, shims, and three chipping blades.
For dust collection I upgraded a basic bagged collector to a canister......and it is some of the best money I spent.
For a planer, the Dewalt DW735 wins most comparisons for a reason. I've ran mine for going on 15 years now. I run carbide blades. You can buy the Helix head to swap out the cutter heads if you want, but it is fine "out of the box".
The Dewalt 10" compound miter saw is what I went with. The "fancier" 10" one. I added the outfeed supports to it. It has been a good one.
I have an import Delta knockoff bandsaw that I bought used. It has a riser block added. I can re-saw just about anything I need. Like I said, 95% of bandsaw issues can be solved in the tuning and setup.
I have both a 4" and 6" jointer. Both are old, antique Craftsman belt driven machines, all iron. They work for what I do.
I have a 3.25HP Triton router in my table. For bits, just buy a decent combo set of bits, and spend good money on the specialty bits you may need in the future. I'm not ashamed to say that I still use several bits from a Harbor Freight "Lifetime Carbide" set I bought 12+ years ago. A palm router is handy, and I also have a small 1.5hp plunge router. I hate using a router by hand, so I avoid it whenever possible.
A good dado blade set is handy. A good one. Cheap, or limited sets, can be a pain. I use a full stack Freud set that came with spacers, shims, and three chipping blades.
For dust collection I upgraded a basic bagged collector to a canister......and it is some of the best money I spent.
This post was edited on 4/3/24 at 2:16 pm
Posted on 4/3/24 at 3:26 pm to RaginCajunz
Have you used Grizzly power tools? They have quite a few tools I'm interested in, but I've never really seen anyone mention their quality.
Posted on 4/3/24 at 3:30 pm to WhiskeyThrottle
I have a grizzly table saw, it's a beast and i love it. Unfortunately i don't have a place for it currently and it's tucked away in my shed.
I would love a grizzly joiner/planer.
I would love a grizzly joiner/planer.
Posted on 4/3/24 at 3:36 pm to WhiskeyThrottle
I just noticed that one is actually a ShopFox not one of their own lines. I should have noticed by the color. I've heard good things but own nothing personally.
Posted on 4/3/24 at 6:49 pm to VanRIch
Man if u have Facebook keep an eye out on Marketplace. I’ve bought some great stuff at great prices. So many dudes go into wood working during Covid and just never used the stuff enough. Bought a Harvey table saw and it’s been awesome. I bought a 3hp Grizzly dust collector that the guy had assembled and all the dust in the bag at the time (maybe 2 gallons) was all it had ever sucked up! At the time it was a $2000 units. He took $1000 cash.
I have a 50x60 shop that and I put my wood shop in the back corner. Dust collection was key for me because I keep my boat in there and lots of outdoor cooking equipment etc. I ran pvc around the shop area off the dust collector and I don’t have to close valves when I’m running it and using different tools.
Harvey table saw is a 2hp unit. I added a router table insert to it and love both dust collection is good and performance and accuracy have been great. I built a 4’x6’ outfeed table for it. Put the outfeed table on wheels so I can move it around and use it as a work table when it’s not an outfeed table. I also built a large 4’x8’ work table on locking wheels. Both tables I laminated the tops to keep them clean and slick.
I don’t own a track saw yet but I do have the 50” & 100” Bora saw guides. They work fine for now but I’m eyeing a track saw just not sure I need it?
I have nearly every DeWalt 20V tool they make for woodworking. I just purchased the 20V Brad nailer and pin nailer and got myself detached from the air compressor! I’m not a DeWalt v Milwaukee guy I just DeWalt product and big discounts because they are one of my vendors. I’ve gone cordless on my handheld router, even my circular saw and jigsaw are cordless.
My planer is a DeWalt DW735 and I have no need for anything bigger. It’s been great I just always keep a couple extra sets of blades around.
I have a small jointer and it works for me but I’d love a bigger one just not sure I can justify it.
I have a 50x60 shop that and I put my wood shop in the back corner. Dust collection was key for me because I keep my boat in there and lots of outdoor cooking equipment etc. I ran pvc around the shop area off the dust collector and I don’t have to close valves when I’m running it and using different tools.
Harvey table saw is a 2hp unit. I added a router table insert to it and love both dust collection is good and performance and accuracy have been great. I built a 4’x6’ outfeed table for it. Put the outfeed table on wheels so I can move it around and use it as a work table when it’s not an outfeed table. I also built a large 4’x8’ work table on locking wheels. Both tables I laminated the tops to keep them clean and slick.
I don’t own a track saw yet but I do have the 50” & 100” Bora saw guides. They work fine for now but I’m eyeing a track saw just not sure I need it?
I have nearly every DeWalt 20V tool they make for woodworking. I just purchased the 20V Brad nailer and pin nailer and got myself detached from the air compressor! I’m not a DeWalt v Milwaukee guy I just DeWalt product and big discounts because they are one of my vendors. I’ve gone cordless on my handheld router, even my circular saw and jigsaw are cordless.
My planer is a DeWalt DW735 and I have no need for anything bigger. It’s been great I just always keep a couple extra sets of blades around.
I have a small jointer and it works for me but I’d love a bigger one just not sure I can justify it.
Posted on 4/3/24 at 7:25 pm to VanRIch
As far as recommending specific machines it is all about budget, you could fill a shop with all Martin machines or Grizzly machines. One will cost you about the same as parking a Ferrari in your garage and the other will be significantly cheaper.
If you are starting out of scratch, have the budget and especially if you are limited on space a Euro combo machine is the way to go. Sliding table saw, jointer, planer, shaper, and horizontal mortiser in one. Something like a Hammer C41 is an excellent entry level machine.
If you plan to build furniture a table saw will be the heart of your shop. While I love my tracksaws there is so much they can't do or is a PITA to do. No dado blade and repeatability take time and effort for example. Again if you have the budget a Saw Stop or a Euro slider are the best options for a number of reasons, especially in the safety department.
Jointer, planer, drill press, and bandsaw round out the "Big 5". There are ways to accomplish workarounds for each but when you have them you never want to go back to work without them. A router table or a shaper would be next on the list.
Depending on where you live used machines can be amazing deals. I live within 50 miles of the old furniture manufacturing capital of the US and used machines are abundant. Over the last ten years I have been building up a collection of machines for when I build my shop at the camp after I retire and LA sucks for used WWing stuff at least quality stuff. I have bought several machines from the Houston area though.
If you are starting out of scratch, have the budget and especially if you are limited on space a Euro combo machine is the way to go. Sliding table saw, jointer, planer, shaper, and horizontal mortiser in one. Something like a Hammer C41 is an excellent entry level machine.
If you plan to build furniture a table saw will be the heart of your shop. While I love my tracksaws there is so much they can't do or is a PITA to do. No dado blade and repeatability take time and effort for example. Again if you have the budget a Saw Stop or a Euro slider are the best options for a number of reasons, especially in the safety department.
Jointer, planer, drill press, and bandsaw round out the "Big 5". There are ways to accomplish workarounds for each but when you have them you never want to go back to work without them. A router table or a shaper would be next on the list.
Depending on where you live used machines can be amazing deals. I live within 50 miles of the old furniture manufacturing capital of the US and used machines are abundant. Over the last ten years I have been building up a collection of machines for when I build my shop at the camp after I retire and LA sucks for used WWing stuff at least quality stuff. I have bought several machines from the Houston area though.
Posted on 4/4/24 at 11:14 am to VanRIch
Minimize the power tools and do more hand tool work if you want to enjoy woodworking for the pleasure of it and don’t have timelines to meet.
Track saw is enough for sheet goods and easy initial jointing of boards. Band saw is handy for resawing boards. Hand planes, chisels, dovetail saw, etc.
The joys of using hand planes and chisels can’t be matched with power tools.
Track saw is enough for sheet goods and easy initial jointing of boards. Band saw is handy for resawing boards. Hand planes, chisels, dovetail saw, etc.
The joys of using hand planes and chisels can’t be matched with power tools.
This post was edited on 4/4/24 at 11:17 am
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