re: Percentage of legit strong guys in your gym

I'm not saying to lie but a disclaimer is necessary if you're going to start to compare. I'm not saying you're wrong either. I'm all for improved health & longevity with whatever method you find fit. For me I'm fueled by competition so that is where my mindset comes from. You see enough baws DL heavy weight for reps without straps shoes me I don't need them. And I think grip straight is important

quote:

---

How is it not?

---

Because you are using your thumb to control motion and for it not to fall out.

Your "grip" strength is what you can hold with double overhand and no hook grip.

I'm not on your level but I for sure use other people around my level for motivation. Deadlifts are fun until you hurt your back and can't go heavy anymore

quote:

---

Wish I had a gym near me for true lifters

---

jesus, what a douche

god forbid you have to bench press next to a weakling

I hear it's contagious

quote:

---

I can double overhand w/no hook my 5RM or hook grip it & im getting near damn similar muscle training for that area. It's gonna burn either way. The thumb just locks you in. That's fair game to me. You aren't introducing a foreign apparatus to control the bar,

---

Straps have the exact same affect on your lift as the hook grip. Both put a stronger bind on the bar and allow you to train the muscle.

Dude, they aren't the exact same and you know that or else you wouldn't use them

quote:

---

I can see why you think that but it's not entirely true. Actually I think it has no merit but I don't really care one way or another to argue about it,

I can double overhand w/no hook my 5RM or hook grip it & im getting near damn similar muscle training for that area. It's gonna burn either way. The thumb just locks you in. That's fair game to me. You aren't introducing a foreign apparatus to control the bar,

---

I like having intelligent conversations and am not arguing to argue.

The way I see it is that your true grip strength comes from double overhand no hook (DONH). Rotation of the bar makes it harder to hold because it is creating a longer moment arm on your fingers.

Hook grip is a DONH but with the added security of the thumb to keep the bar from creating a longer moment arm on the fingers. It also aids your grip because it is applying opposing forces to the bar. This is helpful to your grip. DONH will help your hook grip but I do not believe your hook grip will help you DONH.

Straps are a double overhand with the "thumb" being the strap and additional opposing force that is not limited by slipping of the thumb.

So, the way I see it is that if you want to work on grip, use the DONH and overload with straps. Use hook grip towards the top range to get use to the idea and for competition.

yes I mean the concept is the same. The effect is not, because hook grip is still beneficial to your overall strengths I member listening to gayle hatch speak at a seminar. He won't train an amateur if they don't hook grip. He went on to talk about how it improves your grip strength while straps allow a false sense of security.

He says he'll only use straps for heavy clean or snatch pulls, which you are talmbout 110%+ of your 1RM weight. And this is generally after a rigorous workout where your hands are beat,

quote:

---

You are attempting a 3RM DL at 450 lbs with hook grip. you pull the first 2 rather easily but your grip gives out on the 3rd one and the bar falls to the ground. Do you not agree that continuing to train with the hook grip at this weight, or even higher with 1 Rep pulls will improve your grip strength?

---

The way I see grip development is by volume training. If could do the first 2 reps with the grip then you can do the grip. You just got tired on the third attempt. So, the way I would see it would be to train the hook grip with maybe another exercise such as simply holding weight in your hands and seeing how long you could hold it in the hook grip. This would overload it because you are holding more than you could deadlift.

If your deadlift is lacking because of the grip, you need to work on grip and not let grip determine your back development.

Another way to do it is to use lower weight volume sets of deadlift with a hook grip to get the volume in and get some work for the back.

If you are working your deadlifts to improve your hook grip strength then you are missing out on your other muscles because something is holding it back (grip).

I would recommend working the DL as much as you can so if you did a 3RM and on 3 fail, do the remainder with straps and then work hook grip strength afterwards with a barbell hold. Your grip will be prefatigued and you can work on the endurance.

Sorry, but I might have rambled. Tried to do it in one shot.

quote:

---

At GCF in BR? A handful have the 405+/450+ squat/deadlift but not many have the 315+ bench.

---

At redstick crossfit with Matt Bruce, people are throwing those numbers up all the time