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Cholesterol Code study
Posted on 6/5/17 at 4:16 pm
Posted on 6/5/17 at 4:16 pm
Not sure if anyone here follows the blog Cholesterol Code, but it's a very interesting endeavor by a doctor who has used himself to copiously experiment on. He's a self-described "hyper-responder" when it comes to cholesterol and diet, so he's done all kinds of experiments (scores of blood draws in one year.) Anyway, he just announced he's doing a controlled experiment between keto and carb dieters at a mansion in Vegas. One of you should sign up! LINK
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Posted on 6/5/17 at 4:56 pm to Big Scrub TX
It is sad you are catching downvotes for this. Few realize how misunderstanding this process has impacted:
-public policy (Big government)
-economics (Big Food)
-human health (Big Pharma - "ordo ab chao")
-politics
You are pretty dialed in regarding this topic (based on your prior posts). You may also like the work of:
Dr Jason Fung (nephrologist)- uses fasting to manage his patients
LINK
Dr Peter Attia - an engineer /mathematician who happens to be an MD. His blog is eating academy
-public policy (Big government)
-economics (Big Food)
-human health (Big Pharma - "ordo ab chao")
-politics
You are pretty dialed in regarding this topic (based on your prior posts). You may also like the work of:
Dr Jason Fung (nephrologist)- uses fasting to manage his patients
LINK
Dr Peter Attia - an engineer /mathematician who happens to be an MD. His blog is eating academy
Posted on 6/5/17 at 4:58 pm to Big Scrub TX
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Big Scrub TX
I don't agree with you much, but the keto diet worked really well for me.
Can you repost some good keto links? I need to get back on it.
Posted on 6/5/17 at 5:01 pm to Big Scrub TX
As a carb conscious poltard I appreciate this,Big Scrub 
I believe we have been misled about the dangers of sugar/corn syrup. Fat got a bad rep for crimes committed by sugar.
I believe we have been misled about the dangers of sugar/corn syrup. Fat got a bad rep for crimes committed by sugar.
Posted on 6/5/17 at 5:07 pm to Big Scrub TX
Thanks for the link. Bookmarked for later.
Posted on 6/5/17 at 5:07 pm to Big Scrub TX
You little no carb keto baws need to eat your wheaties and get swole like me
Posted on 6/5/17 at 5:13 pm to el Gaucho
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You little no carb keto baws need to eat your wheaties and get swole like me
Cabrs will help you get swole, but they also make you fat. This has been known by bodybuilders for decades. Lee Priest is known as a guy who eats anything and everything in the off-season. Before a contest, he (and everyone else) pretty much go zero carb.
Posted on 6/5/17 at 7:57 pm to ThinePreparedAni
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-public policy (Big government)
Yep, tons of $$$ are given in the form of price supports, subsidies...to producers like ADM.
quote:
-economics (Big Food)
See above...mega bucks are on the line. The concept of the small family farm is now a distant memory
quote:
-human health (Big Pharma - "ordo ab chao")
Many of the 'Big Pharm' conglomerates are NOT interested in treating the cause(s) of disease and sickness. Instead they are interested in treating the symptoms.
I am by no means discounting many of the new discoveries of the miracles of medicine.
quote:
-politics
See all of the above. As the old saying goes, 'follow the money'.
You intertwined these points very well.
The wife called me today and gave me a little list to pick-up after work.
I saw so many fat, overweight, and obese folks...children, young people, middle aged folks, it was a pathetic sight to see.
I am by no means an expert in dietary matters but the Keto diet appears to another version of the Atkins diet, which to me seems a very dangerous diet.
I like this guy, Dr.Mark-Hyman
Our American/western diet is killing us a nation and as individuals.
Processed food with loads of chemicals and preservatives.
Sugary drinks like soda, sports drinks, juices are poisoning our systems.
Greasy, fatty meats that are clogging arteries and causing heart diseases.
Lots of lard butts that are 50-100 lbs overweight who barely lift a finger, much less than exercise.
I am convinced that if Americans ate better diets, have moderately active life-style and dropped a lot weight, many could drop the meds, would have to not visit the doctor and visit the hospital.
Steps off soap box//
Sorry of TL.
Posted on 6/5/17 at 9:48 pm to Reubaltaich
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I am by no means an expert in dietary matters but the Keto diet appears to another version of the Atkins diet, which to me seems a very dangerous diet.
A to Z study from Stanford researcher who is a vegan...
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Over 300 free-living pre-menopausal, overweight women were randomly assigned to follow either the Atkins (extremely low carbohydrate), Zone (low-carbohydrate, high protein), Ornish (very low fat), or USDA/Food LEARN (high carbohydrate/moderate-low fat) diet for 1 year. At the completion of the study, the women assigned to follow the Atkins diet lost more weight (~10 pounds average weight lost in 1 year) and also experienced metabolic effects that were comparable with or more beneficial than the other participants.
Lots of info in the thread below
LINK
The info below is from other threads, but makes the point:
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Whole food - I agree with the food quality sentiment
As little animal protein/fat - Conventional grain fed animals/fat and omega 6 rich oils = yes /bad
Grass fed animals /fats with omega 3 profile = good
The name of the longevity and quality of life game is to:
-maximize / optimize glucose partitioning
-practice relative caloric restriction
-preserve healthy skeletal muscle mass (the metabolic site optimizing glucose partitioning) while not overpromoting IGF-1 pathway (tumorigenic)
-optimizing the gut microbiome
A diet high in fat with moderate protein and relative carbohydrate restriction accomplishes the goals above while maintaining a robust quality of life. Strong hormonal satiety is invoked by a diet high in fat/protein. This allows for interval episodes of fasting (intermittent fasting) and less meals per day (if you believe in the limiting exposures to food additives sort of logic). Most would argue that this is the way the human species evolved to eat and manage food scarcity. In modern times it promotes compliance with a dietary lifestyle change.
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Earn your carbs (as some posters have already pointed out).
2nd heuristic is to eat items that are closer in the food chain to the sun. Example:
plants (fruits ,vegetable) are great
animals (meat/natural fats) and animal products (eggs) that eat grass (great)
highly refined foods in boxes / fast food that have been adulterated by human hands (not so good)
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I think that for some folks it is a verbiage problem
If you ask most people to describe "fatty" foods they will list off foods like:
Cheeseburgers
Fried catfish
While these foods do have fat in them, they are metabolic bombs also made up carbs (bread or breaded products) + high heat oxidized, refined oils. They also happen to be commonly ingested with deep fried carbohydrate sources (fries). I get the sense that this is the type of foods that people view as "fatty foods". Ironically, they are correct using this descriptor of the downstream effects these foods cause (not necessarily its macronutrient makeup). The more appropriate term would be "fattening"
In reality, the fats we refer to are:
grass fed meats (beef, pork, chicken) - think a grilled steak drizzled with olive oil and paired with steamed veggies and a salad with boiled eggs/cheese/bacon/avocado in it
fish - salmon (or most types are fine, wild better than farm)
full fat dairy, yogurt, eggs
oils - coconut, olive, avocado, MCT
nuts
The other big hangup for some is the caloric load of fat (I will refrain from getting starting on this topic....). Those who view the human body a spreadsheet have difficulty getting around this
Posted on 6/6/17 at 6:59 am to Reubaltaich
Thanks for all this.
My wife and I are both physicians and you are speaking our language.
Diet holds the key to health.
Preach brother!!
My wife and I are both physicians and you are speaking our language.
Diet holds the key to health.
Preach brother!!
Posted on 6/6/17 at 7:07 am to Big Scrub TX
SUGAR is the motherfricking devil people.
Cut your sugar, and those food items that break down into sugar, move around 20 minutes a day, and you will see a huge difference.
Yuge!
Cut your sugar, and those food items that break down into sugar, move around 20 minutes a day, and you will see a huge difference.
Yuge!
Posted on 6/6/17 at 9:08 am to ThinePreparedAni
quote:
In reality, the fats we refer to are:
grass fed meats (beef, pork, chicken) - think a grilled steak drizzled with olive oil and paired with steamed veggies and a salad with boiled eggs/cheese/bacon/avocado in it
fish - salmon (or most types are fine, wild better than farm)
full fat dairy, yogurt, eggs
oils - coconut, olive, avocado, MCT
nuts
Good thing I love all these foods.
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The other big hangup for some is the caloric load of fat (I will refrain from getting starting on this topic....). Those who view the human body a spreadsheet have difficulty getting around this
Please elaborate. Do you simply mean eating too much of these good foods?
Posted on 6/6/17 at 9:16 am to GumboPot
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Please elaborate. Do you simply mean eating too much of these good foods?
It is a critique of a strictly empirical view of the human body by some (those who believe in a strict calories in/out model). Under this model, fats are to be avoided due to calorie load
Some believe that if the right foods are eaten, hormonal regulation takes care of itself (through satiety) and the caloric accounting takes care of itself. Using this model, fats are great
Calories in and calories out model = (akin to telling your friends that the reason Bill Gates is so rich is because he makes more money than he spends. Technically you would be correct, but the statement is not very helpful/informative/actionable).
Much more complex than that. Think of food quality, training, stress, sleep as inputs (via hormones) into a dynamic system
This post was edited on 6/6/17 at 9:25 am
Posted on 6/6/17 at 9:38 am to ThinePreparedAni
Pretty good info for the most part. I think the most overlooked part is keeping your insulin sensitivity, so when you do take in carbs(at the optimum times), your body can partition to the right places. I try to limit carbs to breakfast(slow digesting) and around my workout. Also, igf-1 isn't necessarily bad, the role of igf-1 and similar hormones is pretty complicated once you start looking into it. Take for example,some studies have shown low igf-1 levels as a marker for people at risk for type 2 diabetes.
Posted on 6/6/17 at 10:12 am to lsu5803tiger
thats because igf and hgh artificially raise resting blood sugar levels. but only when they are out of range.
But anybody looking for help with cholestrol should be zero carbohydrates except green veggies for 30 days and then reintroduce fruits. The first 30 days should include the suspension of any type of seasoning or sauce or anything that includes any type of preservative other than celerary salt including nitrates.
Cholesterol is a response to inflamation in the body. Your body will raise LDL to counteract the inflamation caused by the grains we eat.
Contrary to what many people who praise keto tend to think though, over abundance of grain fed beef can have the same effect. the biggest culprit of out of whack cholesterol ratios and large amounts of small LDL particles is actually an imbalance of omega 6 vs omega 3. Simply put, due to our meets being grain finished, the meats we eat have a much higher omega 6 profile and have a very very diminished omega 3 profile. Our bodies are designed the be realtively balanced in this regard.
To fix this, a diet high in locally sourced free range eggs, grass fed beef/buffalo/lamb(especially localy sourced), free range turkey/chicken, grass fed butter, grass fed cheese, fresh wild caught fish, fish oil, krill oil, olive oil and coconut oil should be implemented with fats making up 60% or so of the diet, 30-35% from protein and the rest from fiberous green veggies. Calories should start at about 12x bodyweight and decrease during stalls to no lower than 6-7 x's bodyweight before calories should be slowly increased.
Depending on your genetic make up you might see a rise in overall cholestrol and even a rise in LDL doing this type of diet. But the rise in LDL will be made up of large particles which are essentially harmless and our bodies response to a zero carb style diet. Your HDL will skyrocket though which is the most important factor imo as it will bring your ratio back into a healthy range.
Combining this with predator type exercise will be a recipe for success. What i mean by that is heavy barbell movements to increase strength/bodyweight movements to control the body through space and short burst of energy like you are hunting i.e. sprinting or some other form of HiiT.
The above is a sure fire formula escpecially when combined with intermittent fasting for healthy, longevity and fat loss. Now despite what others have posted in here, carbs do not make you fat. Nor is this type of diet for everyone. Pick the diet that works best for you, but for true heart health, strength and vitality the above is the best plan available for those looking for just a general fitness look.
But anybody looking for help with cholestrol should be zero carbohydrates except green veggies for 30 days and then reintroduce fruits. The first 30 days should include the suspension of any type of seasoning or sauce or anything that includes any type of preservative other than celerary salt including nitrates.
Cholesterol is a response to inflamation in the body. Your body will raise LDL to counteract the inflamation caused by the grains we eat.
Contrary to what many people who praise keto tend to think though, over abundance of grain fed beef can have the same effect. the biggest culprit of out of whack cholesterol ratios and large amounts of small LDL particles is actually an imbalance of omega 6 vs omega 3. Simply put, due to our meets being grain finished, the meats we eat have a much higher omega 6 profile and have a very very diminished omega 3 profile. Our bodies are designed the be realtively balanced in this regard.
To fix this, a diet high in locally sourced free range eggs, grass fed beef/buffalo/lamb(especially localy sourced), free range turkey/chicken, grass fed butter, grass fed cheese, fresh wild caught fish, fish oil, krill oil, olive oil and coconut oil should be implemented with fats making up 60% or so of the diet, 30-35% from protein and the rest from fiberous green veggies. Calories should start at about 12x bodyweight and decrease during stalls to no lower than 6-7 x's bodyweight before calories should be slowly increased.
Depending on your genetic make up you might see a rise in overall cholestrol and even a rise in LDL doing this type of diet. But the rise in LDL will be made up of large particles which are essentially harmless and our bodies response to a zero carb style diet. Your HDL will skyrocket though which is the most important factor imo as it will bring your ratio back into a healthy range.
Combining this with predator type exercise will be a recipe for success. What i mean by that is heavy barbell movements to increase strength/bodyweight movements to control the body through space and short burst of energy like you are hunting i.e. sprinting or some other form of HiiT.
The above is a sure fire formula escpecially when combined with intermittent fasting for healthy, longevity and fat loss. Now despite what others have posted in here, carbs do not make you fat. Nor is this type of diet for everyone. Pick the diet that works best for you, but for true heart health, strength and vitality the above is the best plan available for those looking for just a general fitness look.
This post was edited on 6/6/17 at 10:14 am
Posted on 6/6/17 at 11:29 am to Reubaltaich
quote:How so?
I am by no means an expert in dietary matters but the Keto diet appears to another version of the Atkins diet, which to me seems a very dangerous diet.
quote:I eat 50-70% of my calories as fat. Most of the rest protein. With high quality meat, I think that's the healthiest.
Greasy, fatty meats that are clogging arteries and causing heart diseases.
Posted on 6/6/17 at 11:31 am to lsu777
quote:Agree with most of your cholesterol thoughts, although I might distill it to: don't care about cholesterol. What's measured in a "normal" blood panel re cholesterol is almost entirely useless. If I were granted access to only two of my markers at any given time, I'd want triglycerides and serum insulin.
Cholesterol
Posted on 6/6/17 at 1:43 pm to Reubaltaich
quote:
I am convinced that if Americans ate better diets, have moderately active life-style and dropped a lot weight, many could drop the meds, would have to not visit the doctor and visit the hospital.
So if people are healthier they will be healthier. Got it.
Posted on 6/6/17 at 3:58 pm to colorchangintiger
quote:It's easy to ridicule, but very recently there was a public brouhaha over just this - the very idea that diabetes is "not a choice." ADA gets butthurt over Trump administration comment
So if people are healthier they will be healthier. Got it.
Posted on 6/8/17 at 1:02 pm to Big Scrub TX
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It's easy to ridicule, but very recently there was a public brouhaha over just this - the very idea that diabetes is "not a choice." ADA gets butthurt over Trump administration comment
As a physician I say without a doubt that Type II DM IS a choice - if these fatasses lost those extra 100 pounds this disease (along with their cholesterol problems) would go away - but this is hard and requires work and dedication which most folks don't have
And the ADA is vested in having these people in victim mode so that they have someone to campaign for
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