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re: BULK support thread for those of us bulking
Posted on 7/31/17 at 9:34 pm to lsu777
Posted on 7/31/17 at 9:34 pm to lsu777
The past week has been a total mindfrick.
One minute I want to say frick it all and just say forget it, stop lifting and accept my fate as a weak dude with low muscle mass.
The next minute I want to get in the car and go to the gym and just pump out my stress.
It's almost like I am going through the 5 stages of grief. Bargaining, denying, depression, anger, etc.
One thing I didn't mention was my horomone levels. I saw an endocrinologist to get this work done as insulin is a hormone and therefore blood sugar falls into the practice of an endo. Not only was my blood sugar high but my horomones were all out of whack. My testosterone was on the low end of the scale for a male, my estrogen was on the high end and so on. I didn't mention this in my original post out of embarrassment. Not only is my impaired fasting glucose going to make making gains really hard, but my testosterone levels aren't what they need to be to support it as well.
It's depressing as hell. I tell every guy I know the best thing you can do for yourself is lift. Lifting is something that was my #1 hobby and something I became dedicated to. Yet here I am in a situation where I can't figure out how to make it work for me at the moment. frick this shite. I don't want to resign myself to a life of being a weak loser with no muscle mass and low T.
One minute I want to say frick it all and just say forget it, stop lifting and accept my fate as a weak dude with low muscle mass.
The next minute I want to get in the car and go to the gym and just pump out my stress.
It's almost like I am going through the 5 stages of grief. Bargaining, denying, depression, anger, etc.
One thing I didn't mention was my horomone levels. I saw an endocrinologist to get this work done as insulin is a hormone and therefore blood sugar falls into the practice of an endo. Not only was my blood sugar high but my horomones were all out of whack. My testosterone was on the low end of the scale for a male, my estrogen was on the high end and so on. I didn't mention this in my original post out of embarrassment. Not only is my impaired fasting glucose going to make making gains really hard, but my testosterone levels aren't what they need to be to support it as well.
It's depressing as hell. I tell every guy I know the best thing you can do for yourself is lift. Lifting is something that was my #1 hobby and something I became dedicated to. Yet here I am in a situation where I can't figure out how to make it work for me at the moment. frick this shite. I don't want to resign myself to a life of being a weak loser with no muscle mass and low T.
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Posted on 7/31/17 at 9:41 pm to lsu5803tiger
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I was going to post this earlier in the thread but the main thing while adding mass is keeping your insulin sensitivity high and holding inflammation at bay. Even enhanced guys struggle with this. There's a reason why your best gains come whenever you're lean...the leaner the better. Next time try to make small increments in calories once you stall, I would consider a stall, two weeks time frame. Place a good portion of your carbs around your work out. Stay on top of cardio, especially if your daily activity doesn't add up to much. Take fish oil and tumeric for anti-inflammation properties. That's all I got. Heil Gains.
Thanks for the advice.
Even when I was cutting or was lean or was doing a slow bulk I still dealt with blood sugar issues/insomnia. I am pretty sure I brought the blood sugar/insulin resistance upon myself as from October 2012-May 2014 and then from January 2015-July 2015 I was a lazy sedentary frick who didn't do shite and ate like crap. In July 2015 I realized my weight was getting out of control and was starting to get sleep apnea so I began to do the slow carb diet and cut down and started lifting again in January 2016 but by then the damage had probably been done.
Have been dealing with insomnia/insulin resistance issues since September 2015 or so. The last week I have slept better than I have in years which is awesome, but at the same time it sucks knowing the price I have paid(stop going to the gym) in order to get back to actually being able to sleep properly. Also the past week I haven't dealt with any of the symptoms you get from high or low blood sugar so maybe my problems aren't caused by my diet but are caused by something like my liver or thyroid. This is why I need a primary care doc.
Posted on 7/31/17 at 9:46 pm to goldennugget
Dude this diet isn't sustainable for you and is clearly effecting your health
Look into something like lean gains
Look into something like lean gains
Posted on 7/31/17 at 11:54 pm to StraightCashHomey21
He was doing lean gains before and had good success, albeit slow success, but in this case not sure If it's the diet. Could be, but it shouldn't be causing these kinds of issues. Key word shouldn't, but it very well could be contributing.
Sounds more like internal issue. But to be sure defiantly need to get off of this and goto something more Keto based for now and then slowly add things while monitoring. Honestly when you kept mentioning insomnia, I couldn't wrap my head around it because I figured you would be exhausted on this type of program.
Honestly you need to get with a primary care doc and good endo and get it figured out. Honestly, and I hate to say this, the best thing you could do right now is go on an extremely strict diet like the whole30 and see if you can get it under control. When you do get back to the gym(prolly next week) just do normal 531 plus some push-ups and chin ups and be done with it. Do not beat your body up, keep it simple.
Health comes first. After two weeks of getting used to that, start doing some light prowler work again. But you need to get a blood sugar monitor on top of getting doctors do you can track how certain foods effect your blood sugar levels. Even if it's diabetes, it can be fixed with proper diet.
Sounds more like internal issue. But to be sure defiantly need to get off of this and goto something more Keto based for now and then slowly add things while monitoring. Honestly when you kept mentioning insomnia, I couldn't wrap my head around it because I figured you would be exhausted on this type of program.
Honestly you need to get with a primary care doc and good endo and get it figured out. Honestly, and I hate to say this, the best thing you could do right now is go on an extremely strict diet like the whole30 and see if you can get it under control. When you do get back to the gym(prolly next week) just do normal 531 plus some push-ups and chin ups and be done with it. Do not beat your body up, keep it simple.
Health comes first. After two weeks of getting used to that, start doing some light prowler work again. But you need to get a blood sugar monitor on top of getting doctors do you can track how certain foods effect your blood sugar levels. Even if it's diabetes, it can be fixed with proper diet.
Posted on 8/1/17 at 6:22 am to lsu777
Last night I experienced something I haven't experienced since I was living in Seattle and that was low blood sugar. Had to take a couple of glucose wafers but I easily fell asleep after doing that.
When I have high blood sugar its as if I am ultra stressed, my heart rate is high, I get hot, I sweat a lot and go to the bathroom a lot, I get really thirsty and feel like my body is a tick and just needs to get rid of whatever is in my body
When I have low blood sugar though I feel weak, jittery, shaky, cold, and my heart rate is low. Kind of like that weak trembly feeling when you have the flu.
The challenge now is eating enough carbs to keep my blood sugar from dropping too low but not eating too much as not to get it too high
When I have high blood sugar its as if I am ultra stressed, my heart rate is high, I get hot, I sweat a lot and go to the bathroom a lot, I get really thirsty and feel like my body is a tick and just needs to get rid of whatever is in my body
When I have low blood sugar though I feel weak, jittery, shaky, cold, and my heart rate is low. Kind of like that weak trembly feeling when you have the flu.
The challenge now is eating enough carbs to keep my blood sugar from dropping too low but not eating too much as not to get it too high
Posted on 8/1/17 at 9:19 am to goldennugget
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Last night I experienced something I haven't experienced since I was living in Seattle and that was low blood sugar. Had to take a couple of glucose wafers but I easily fell asleep after doing that.
When I have high blood sugar its as if I am ultra stressed, my heart rate is high, I get hot, I sweat a lot and go to the bathroom a lot, I get really thirsty and feel like my body is a tick and just needs to get rid of whatever is in my body
When I have low blood sugar though I feel weak, jittery, shaky, cold, and my heart rate is low. Kind of like that weak trembly feeling when you have the flu.
The challenge now is eating enough carbs to keep my blood sugar from dropping too low but not eating too much as not to get it too high
Dude you know to go to the doctor. I know you said it's too expensive, but you need to figure something out. If you really do have diabetes and you aren't diagnosed and able to be treated correctly you could very easily slip into a diabetic coma and die. Diabetes ain't nothing to frick with.
ETA: also it could be through no fault of your own if you are diabetic. My family has a terrible history of diabetes. My mom's dad and brother both got it in their early 20s when they were very healthy and her brother died in his 40s from slipping into a coma. I went to the doctor for blood work and despite eating clean and being in the gym daily some of my levels are higher than they should be. I'm not diabetic, but if I don't take care of myself I easily could be soon so diet and exercise are very important for me.
This post was edited on 8/1/17 at 9:23 am
Posted on 8/1/17 at 9:58 am to Mingo Was His NameO
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Dude you know to go to the doctor. I know you said it's too expensive, but you need to figure something out. If you really do have diabetes and you aren't diagnosed and able to be treated correctly you could very easily slip into a diabetic coma and die. Diabetes ain't nothing to frick with.
ETA: also it could be through no fault of your own if you are diabetic. My family has a terrible history of diabetes. My mom's dad and brother both got it in their early 20s when they were very healthy and her brother died in his 40s from slipping into a coma. I went to the doctor for blood work and despite eating clean and being in the gym daily some of my levels are higher than they should be. I'm not diabetic, but if I don't take care of myself I easily could be soon so diet and exercise are very important for me.
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Posted on 8/1/17 at 10:51 am to goldennugget
Did he die yet? That's obviously what he's striving for. But hey man, whatever gets those Gainzz! Am I right?!!?
Posted on 8/3/17 at 1:29 pm to goldennugget
Haven't had any carbs Last 48 hours. Feel good. No blood sugar issues. Going to the gym tonight. Will do a light workout, probably just regular 5 3 1 and some accessories. Then will do some conditioning tomorrow. If all goes well I will try to ramp things back up a bit on Sunday. Not eating any carbs though going full keto for the rest of the month then will get my blood checked
Posted on 8/3/17 at 10:25 pm to goldennugget
Why are you depriving yourself of carbs?
Posted on 8/3/17 at 10:29 pm to The Dudes Rug
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Why are you depriving yourself of carbs?
If you have not noticed he has no real idea wtf he's doing.
Posted on 8/3/17 at 11:13 pm to StraightCashHomey21
Actually if he is having diabetic symptoms he is doing the correct thing. Still needs to see a doctor though.
But as far as this thread goes and the program he was on, he was doing exactly like it said and was having good results. His lack of acknowledgement of his previous blood sugar issues was the reason for the episodes. Hence the whole see a doctor thing I have told him to do no less than five times in the last week.
But he is doing the right thing in the meantime cutting carbs out completely.
But as far as this thread goes and the program he was on, he was doing exactly like it said and was having good results. His lack of acknowledgement of his previous blood sugar issues was the reason for the episodes. Hence the whole see a doctor thing I have told him to do no less than five times in the last week.
But he is doing the right thing in the meantime cutting carbs out completely.
Posted on 8/4/17 at 9:31 am to lsu777
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Actually if he is having diabetic symptoms he is doing the correct thing. Still needs to see a doctor though. But as far as this thread goes and the program he was on, he was doing exactly like it said and was having good results. His lack of acknowledgement of his previous blood sugar issues was the reason for the episodes. Hence the whole see a doctor thing I have told him to do no less than five times in the last week. But he is doing the right thing in the meantime cutting carbs out completely.
He should have never been doing this from the start.
That's why I am saying he has no idea what he is doing.
Its the typical just do what ever type of diet or workout with out actually knowing their own body and if it is correct for them.
This post was edited on 8/4/17 at 9:32 am
Posted on 8/4/17 at 12:45 pm to StraightCashHomey21
So you know more than jim Wendler? Sorry but you don't.
Other than the blood sugar levels he was doing fine.
Other than the blood sugar levels he was doing fine.
Posted on 8/4/17 at 1:08 pm to lsu777
Update
Last night was my return to the gym, did regular 5/3/1 for OHP and Squat, and 5x5 chins(unweighted), 5x10 face pulls and 3 sets of dumbell shrugs to failure. Felt weaker on squat which is a bummer considering that is where I was making my most progress. Didn't feel as weak on OHP but I have definitely lost strength in the past week. Then this morning I did a 7.5 ride on the Air Dyne bike
I haven't eaten any carbs since Monday but even then I still suffered my usual nighttime symptoms of excessive thirst, fast heartrate and frequent urination that I have attributed to high blood sugar so it took me a few hours to fall asleep. I haven't experienced that since last Tuesday so I am guessing going to the gym is what triggers this. My macros yesterday were 229 protein 193 fat 20 carbs(all carbs came from veggies). Perhaps it is the excessive protein + kidney/liver/digestive issues that trigger these symptoms, as I read excess protein gets converted to glucose, although I never got the symptoms on days I didn't workout. Perhaps its a combo of the protein/working out + cortisol response. At least I got some sleep though and wasn't up all night, probably got 6 hours worth.
Maybe not be a bad development. The fact I never experienced any high blood sugar issues when I had cheat days, or am on vacation(and ate like a pig every day) and sleep perfectly fine those days, leads me to believe perhaps this may not be blood sugar/diabetes related, and more of my body's response to high protein + working out on the same day leading to stress and anxiety. That was the original diagnosis I got in April when I first went to a doctor over this. Stay tuned
Last night was my return to the gym, did regular 5/3/1 for OHP and Squat, and 5x5 chins(unweighted), 5x10 face pulls and 3 sets of dumbell shrugs to failure. Felt weaker on squat which is a bummer considering that is where I was making my most progress. Didn't feel as weak on OHP but I have definitely lost strength in the past week. Then this morning I did a 7.5 ride on the Air Dyne bike
I haven't eaten any carbs since Monday but even then I still suffered my usual nighttime symptoms of excessive thirst, fast heartrate and frequent urination that I have attributed to high blood sugar so it took me a few hours to fall asleep. I haven't experienced that since last Tuesday so I am guessing going to the gym is what triggers this. My macros yesterday were 229 protein 193 fat 20 carbs(all carbs came from veggies). Perhaps it is the excessive protein + kidney/liver/digestive issues that trigger these symptoms, as I read excess protein gets converted to glucose, although I never got the symptoms on days I didn't workout. Perhaps its a combo of the protein/working out + cortisol response. At least I got some sleep though and wasn't up all night, probably got 6 hours worth.
Maybe not be a bad development. The fact I never experienced any high blood sugar issues when I had cheat days, or am on vacation(and ate like a pig every day) and sleep perfectly fine those days, leads me to believe perhaps this may not be blood sugar/diabetes related, and more of my body's response to high protein + working out on the same day leading to stress and anxiety. That was the original diagnosis I got in April when I first went to a doctor over this. Stay tuned
Posted on 8/4/17 at 1:21 pm to goldennugget
lower the protein then. john bernardi has the get shredded diet where he says do 35% protein, 65% fat, the last 10% coming from green veggies.
Posted on 8/4/17 at 1:22 pm to goldennugget
btw please go to the doctor. please.
Posted on 8/4/17 at 2:08 pm to goldennugget
You have a lot of stuff wrong with you. How old are you?
Posted on 8/4/17 at 2:46 pm to lsu777
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btw please go to the doctor. please.
who will probably tell him to get off this diet
whats more shocking is if he really was a D1 athlete how he didn't learn anything about fitness and nutrition the entire time.
Posted on 8/4/17 at 3:09 pm to StraightCashHomey21
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whats more shocking is if he really was a D1 athlete how he didn't learn anything about fitness and nutrition the entire time.
You keep saying this, what the hell are you talking about? Was he eating a lot of food, yes but he was also making alot of gains and not gaining much fat.
now because he has health problems prior to this, sure its a problem but for normal healthy person it wouldnt be.
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