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Adding Cleans to Workout Routine

Posted on 10/20/17 at 2:40 pm
Posted by NotoriousFSU
Atlanta, GA
Member since Oct 2008
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Posted on 10/20/17 at 2:40 pm
Yesterday I decided to get back into doing cleans as a part of my weekly workout regimen. I stopped doing all cleans/deadlifts/barbell squats for about 1 year because my lower back couldn't take it. I'm tired of making excuses to not strengthen my lower back/hips so I used the video linked below to get the ball rolling, and would appreciate any input y'all have that you think would help as well. On top of lifting I've been doing yoga which has helped immensely. I'm not sure of what goals exactly I'm aiming towards yet, but for now I just want to improve athleticism, flexibility/mobility and strength. Thanks in advance.


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Posted by Cash
Vail
Member since Feb 2005
37247 posts
Posted on 10/20/17 at 3:01 pm to
I’ve battled back issues on and off for 20 years.

I do power cleans once or twice a week. Love them.

Start light and work on form. Slowly go up in weight.
Posted by Jim Rockford
Member since May 2011
98190 posts
Posted on 10/20/17 at 3:15 pm to
Cleans gave me elbow tendinitis and bursitis in my hip.
Posted by Capo Losi
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2016
2193 posts
Posted on 10/20/17 at 4:07 pm to
What are the exact problems you were having with your back? If it wasn't a full on spinal injury there are things you can do to address this through lifting.

There may be imbalances you can directly address because all of it is connected. For instance I have minor anterior pelvic tilt that I am working on. This hurts my lower back because your hip flexors pull on your lower back along with the glutes being under activated, putting even more strain on the back. Having sore glutes will also make your back hurt ;).

Or say you have weak abdominals or do not get the correct tension in your body while squatting. This places more of the load on your back. Maybe you have a long torso and you need to adjust form because youre bent over too far. etc etc etc

There's a ton of things that could be going on. First step I suggest is getting a proper 4" lifting belt(Not for cleans, either 10mm leather single prong or a Spud 3 ply deadlifting belt) and use it. No a belt will not prevent injuries, but it will help you stay tight, particularly in the midsection. I guarantee you'll feel better squatting and deadlifting. And no it doesn't matter if you're squatting 135 or 435.
This post was edited on 10/20/17 at 4:09 pm
Posted by Farkwad
Byzantium
Member since Sep 2010
2669 posts
Posted on 10/20/17 at 5:56 pm to
Start with Hang Cleans once a week before you even think about pulling from the floor. Yoga will help keep your core "tight" during the movement. Make sure you are pulling deads once a week as well. I suggest three to four working sets of each per week to start. Concentrate on keeping the core tight when hang cleaning. Build up your strength and then move into pulling from the floor.

quote:

No a belt will not prevent injuries, but it will help you stay tight, particularly in the midsection. I guarantee you'll feel better squatting and deadlifting. And no it doesn't matter if you're squatting 135 or 435.


Also this ^^^ is sage advice.
This post was edited on 10/20/17 at 5:59 pm
Posted by Hu_Flung_Pu
Central, LA
Member since Jan 2013
22169 posts
Posted on 10/20/17 at 7:59 pm to
quote:

Yoga will help keep your core "tight" during the movement


I may be ignorant but I'll wager it's not the same type of tightness. Not knocking out at all, just pointing out differences.
Posted by TDcline
American Gardens building 11th flor
Member since Aug 2015
9281 posts
Posted on 10/21/17 at 12:15 pm to
Heavy cleans fuq’t my lifting career up significantly. Sprained my wrist (I think) went to get X-rays and no break. Wrist hasn’t been the same since.
Posted by NotoriousFSU
Atlanta, GA
Member since Oct 2008
10226 posts
Posted on 10/21/17 at 1:05 pm to
Yeah I'll slowly begin to add weight after a few weeks of relearning technique. Most weight I've ever done for PC is 225, and even at that weight I saw the damage that comes if you miss a rep and your form goes to shite trying to overcorrect.
I've never been one to use a belt or wrist stabilizers, but I might have to later on when the weight gets to be too heavy. Would y'all recommend getting that stuff now to get use to the feel instead of waiting till down he road when it becomes more of an issue?
Posted by Salmon
On the trails
Member since Feb 2008
83583 posts
Posted on 10/21/17 at 1:27 pm to
I tweaked my back again doing heavy cleans last week. Nothing too serious but enough to make me decide that I’m going to wear a belt whenever I’m pulling from the floor from now on, doesn’t matter if it’s 95 lbs.

Posted by Hu_Flung_Pu
Central, LA
Member since Jan 2013
22169 posts
Posted on 10/21/17 at 1:47 pm to
You really need to work on bracing. A belt needs to be added when you absolutely need it.
Posted by Capo Losi
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2016
2193 posts
Posted on 10/21/17 at 2:48 pm to
I'm of the opinion that it's never too early to add a belt, unless you're just learning a lift since you already know you have lower back issues. So in this case you can wait, but you don't need to wait until the weight gets heavy. Once the weight is heavy enough for it to be considered a workout is a good time.

Really the answer is, there is no right or wrong answer. Especially if you're not an athlete.
Posted by Hu_Flung_Pu
Central, LA
Member since Jan 2013
22169 posts
Posted on 10/21/17 at 3:24 pm to
I believe it should be used only when you can't keep proper position during a lift. Same with grip. That doesn't mean once it's heavy. It means when you can't lift it correctly and that should be known about what weight. Again, this is my opinion. Belts don't really do anything anyway unless you use it right.
Posted by Salmon
On the trails
Member since Feb 2008
83583 posts
Posted on 10/21/17 at 3:27 pm to
It’s more of a mental thing with me. I’m hoping it’s just a cue to breathe right and brace before the lift.

I’ve always had back issues. Ive pulled my back getting groceries out of the car.

It’s just something I’m going to try.
Posted by BigPerm30
Member since Aug 2011
25945 posts
Posted on 10/21/17 at 4:15 pm to
I never use a belt. It makes me feel weak. I feel like it restricts my hips. I do use wrist wraps especially if I'm jerking it.
Posted by Lester Earl
Member since Nov 2003
278457 posts
Posted on 10/21/17 at 4:26 pm to
It sounds more like a form thing then a bracing thing.

Or can you pinpoint where in th lift you were injured? Was it a full squat clean?
Posted by Lester Earl
Member since Nov 2003
278457 posts
Posted on 10/21/17 at 4:27 pm to
quote:

and even at that weight I saw the damage that comes if you miss a rep and your form goes to shite trying to overcorrect.


What kinda stuff are you doing? Can you be more specific
Posted by Salmon
On the trails
Member since Feb 2008
83583 posts
Posted on 10/21/17 at 5:00 pm to
It’s everything. My back is just where if I’m the slightest bit off it will tweak. Like I said, it can happen with me just bending over.

I just need to focus on getting stronger in my posterior chain. It’s weak.
Posted by Hu_Flung_Pu
Central, LA
Member since Jan 2013
22169 posts
Posted on 10/21/17 at 5:19 pm to
I had that same problem a year ago. Learning to brace properly and getting my vote strong helped. Also, stretch. Tight muscles can also make it easy to tweak.
Posted by Salmon
On the trails
Member since Feb 2008
83583 posts
Posted on 10/21/17 at 5:34 pm to
Part of me wonders if working out in the morning is part of the problem. It takes awhile for me to get warmed up and I’m generally super stiff in the mornings.

Posted by Lester Earl
Member since Nov 2003
278457 posts
Posted on 10/21/17 at 5:51 pm to
Big problem is leading with the butt when pulling from ground. the lower back shouldn't really be vulnerable on the clean if your hips & shoulders are rising together, but it will happen if you shoot your butt up. It can really compromise your lower back.

Just a thought since you had been injured on the deadlift. This is a common fault I see between people that have been injured on both

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