Propane torch for charcoal starting

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dont like the chimneys, burnt newspaper shite flies all over.

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Don't use newspaper. I usually tare pieces off the charcoal bag. Its a more dense paper and I never get ash flying around. Paper bags from the grocery store work well too.

Stopped reading at natty gas.

I have one like that. I picked it up at Harbor Freight for around $20. I love it. Pour charcoal in pit, and 2 minutes later my coals are lit and ready to go. I use lump charcoal, so can't comment on how it does with briquettes. I use propane, so not sure about NG conversion. I've also used it a couple times for burning weeds when I didn't want to wait a day or two for weed killer to do it's thing.

Mapgas all day

Propane torch is the best method I've found. Quick, clean, cheap and effective.

I use those parafin cubes in my chimney with a propane lighter

i cook on my grill (a lot) and i use this chimney everytime.
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the bottom is an ingenious design, that lets the coal light very fast.
when i don't use pieces of the charcoal bag or brown paper bags from the store, i put about 6-10 pieces of instant light charcoal on bottom of my lump coal to get it started.

works like a champ everytime.

If you use a propane torch on a painted pit, it will burn the paint off, not sure about what it would do to a weber. If you have a ceramic pit, a propane torch is the way to go.

I've used one to light firewood on a pit. But that's a little overkill for charcoal.

I light my charcoal chimney using the side burner on my propane grill or set in on the propane fish cooker. No mess and it's lit in a couple of minutes.