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re: Proof: All Wine Tastes the Same
Posted on 6/24/13 at 11:46 am to Stadium Rat
Posted on 6/24/13 at 11:46 am to Stadium Rat
once the bottle goes past the $50 range I can't tell the difference. its all good at that point.
The flavor and texture of wine changes upon opening so much that it would be difficult to achieve accurate test results across the board....imo.
The flavor and texture of wine changes upon opening so much that it would be difficult to achieve accurate test results across the board....imo.
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Posted on 6/24/13 at 11:50 am to polizei11
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Wines breath once opened so it doesn't surprise me that experts can't tell that they are drinking the same wine over the course of the tasting when its from the same bottle.
if they have such good palates as to describe a wine as having "violets, mocha, and cloves [that] are layered into the rich, sumptuous finish," shouldn't they be able to tell that they're drinking the same wine? it's not going to breathe and oxidize that much over the course of a 20 minute tasting that it tastes like a different wine.
This post was edited on 6/24/13 at 11:51 am
Posted on 6/24/13 at 12:07 pm to Stadium Rat
Thank you. When people rag me for only drinking Starbuck's coffee my response is "I can't tell cheap wine from expensive wine, so it would be stupid for me buy expensive wine. But I can tell Starbucks espresso from any espresso at any store."
Posted on 6/24/13 at 12:07 pm to Stadium Rat
Yet another reason why craft beer > wine.
Posted on 6/24/13 at 12:09 pm to urinetrouble
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Yet another reason why craft beer > wine.
all IPAs are the same. You can't tell the difference between Jockamo and Pliny.
Posted on 6/24/13 at 12:11 pm to dallastiger55
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Most wine tastes the same
Went to dinner other night with coworker and his wife. She ordered a $200 bottle of red and then a $40 bottle and I liked the $40 better
Quite a contradictory statement, considering that saying "most wines taste the same" and then supporting that argument by saying someone liked a cheaper bottle more than an inexpensive bottle are very different things.
I'm like her .. most occasions where I've drank a very expensive bottle or glass I didn't find that I liked it more than some cheaper wines I've had. I can certainly tell you though that I've had a large range of wines that had different flavors / i.e. - that don't all taste the same. by any stretch of the imagination.
Posted on 6/24/13 at 12:12 pm to Salmon
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all IPAs are the same. You can't tell the difference between Jockamo and Pliny.
They cost about the same, so this makes sense right??
Posted on 6/24/13 at 12:20 pm to Rohan2Reed
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I can certainly tell you though that I've had a large range of wines that had different flavors / i.e. - that don't all taste the same. by any stretch of the imagination.
would you be able to give reviews like this?
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It defines its own space. There’s plenty of new oak, but the fruit, acid and tannins stand up to it. This is sharp and tangy; cranberry and raspberry, strawberry and citric acids all playing their part.
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Bouquet of medium red fruit, toast, plum and tobacco. Black fruit, spice, pepper and coffee flavors. Smooth finish with easy tannins and a cool streak through it. Not a dense wine, but a flavorful and good one.
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Lush and delicious, this richly fruited wine roars from glass with a serious, yet still sexy plum, chocolate, spice and cedar nose. Plush tannins and an even mouthfeel full cherry, plum and cocoa flavors, and this impressive first release finishes long and dry.
it's all bullshite. they use fancy rhetoric and just regurgitate what the winemaker tells them went into the process of making, aging, and bottling the wine. when a winemaker tells you how it was aged, your mind is going to trick itself into believing you tasted each individual flavor whether you did or not. looks like in a blind taste test, they couldn't come up with some fancy description for the wine. hell, they couldn't even realize they were drinking one wine at one point.
Posted on 6/24/13 at 12:23 pm to TH03
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Hodgson isn't alone in questioning the science of wine-tasting. French academic Frédéric Brochet tested the effect of labels in 2001. He presented the same Bordeaux superior wine to 57 volunteers a week apart and in two different bottles – one for a table wine, the other for a grand cru.
The tasters were fooled.
When tasting a supposedly superior wine, their language was more positive – describing it as complex, balanced, long and woody. When the same wine was presented as plonk, the critics were more likely to use negatives such as weak, light and flat.
LOL
Posted on 6/24/13 at 12:27 pm to TH03
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When tasting a supposedly superior wine, their language was more positive – describing it as complex, balanced, long and woody. When the same wine was presented as plonk, the critics were more likely to use negatives such as weak, light and flat.
Isn't this a commentary on the human condition to conform, not on actual wine taste?
Posted on 6/24/13 at 12:34 pm to LSU lilly
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Wines "breathe" differently. I find sometimes, that if I let a glass of wine sit for a while, then take a sip, it tastes differently than the first glass from that same bottle did.
Of course one interesting thing is if you have an 8 dollar bottle of wine are you going to give it the same treatment you would a 60 dollar bottle?
Most people don't even bother with keeping cheap wines at the correct temperature or letting them breathe or anything like that.
So you're already altering your perception by not treating them equally IMO
Posted on 6/24/13 at 12:37 pm to Oenophile Brah
that's kind of the point. saying bullshite like the "superior wine" is complex, balanced, etc is just a way to make yourself appear more refined than your peers. your brain is naturally going to be biased towards the more expensive or "superior" wine because it's trying to justify that superiority.
it's like when that guy cut a banana in half and told people one plate was organic, freshly grown, and the other was just a regular, wal mart quality banana. they were eating the same banana, but described the "organic" as "fresh" and "tasted like a banana should" but described the "regular" banana has "having a banana flavor, but just wasn't quite tasting like a real, fresh banana."
people just convince themselves that one is better than the other because of the appearance or price or supposed "superiority"
it's like when that guy cut a banana in half and told people one plate was organic, freshly grown, and the other was just a regular, wal mart quality banana. they were eating the same banana, but described the "organic" as "fresh" and "tasted like a banana should" but described the "regular" banana has "having a banana flavor, but just wasn't quite tasting like a real, fresh banana."
people just convince themselves that one is better than the other because of the appearance or price or supposed "superiority"
Posted on 6/24/13 at 12:47 pm to TH03
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it's like when that guy cut a banana in half and told people one plate was organic, freshly grown, and the other was just a regular, wal mart quality banana
I wonder if he owns the best banana shop in the state.
Posted on 6/24/13 at 12:50 pm to Oenophile Brah
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Isn't this a commentary on the human condition to conform, not on actual wine taste?
It's not about conforming
It's about a psychological bias far outweighing their ability to accurately describe a wine
Posted on 6/24/13 at 12:53 pm to TH03
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it's like when that guy cut a banana in half and told people one plate was organic, freshly grown
That is a different argument altogether. "Organic" is a fad.
Just because people use certain(common) words to describe wine they perceive to be superior doesn't prove that wine tastes the same. It just proves that people tend to use familiar terms when describing things.
I do agree that value is largely created by a few decision makers in the wine industry. That is unfortunate but that's the way it is.
R2R's favorite wine is $9. That doesn't mean it's under valued, it just proves he's a cheap frick.
Posted on 6/24/13 at 12:55 pm to Oenophile Brah
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Just because people use certain(common) words to describe wine they perceive to be superior doesn't prove that wine tastes the same. It just proves that people tend to use familiar terms when describing things.
or that they're completely full of shite. how can one wine be both complex yet dull at the same time depending on how it was presented?
Posted on 6/24/13 at 12:56 pm to Stadium Rat
Personally, I think we taste differently from day-to-day and minute-to-minute.
The first bite or drink of something we are eating/drinking tasted differently to us than the last bite.
Whether our palate is corrupted or our stomach is full, or whatever?
I'm a beer drinker, and I will drik a beer that I think is great on one day, and then just so-so a week later.
I don't see how anybody can taste wine after wine after wine and be objective. Even with palate cleansers.
The first bite or drink of something we are eating/drinking tasted differently to us than the last bite.
Whether our palate is corrupted or our stomach is full, or whatever?
I'm a beer drinker, and I will drik a beer that I think is great on one day, and then just so-so a week later.
I don't see how anybody can taste wine after wine after wine and be objective. Even with palate cleansers.
Posted on 6/24/13 at 12:57 pm to Powerman
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It's about a psychological bias far outweighing their ability to accurately describe a wine
exactly. people aren't as smart as they think they are
Posted on 6/24/13 at 12:59 pm to TH03
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would you be able to give reviews like this?
of course not that is ridiculous that people claim to pick up all those flavors. when I taste wine and someone asks me to describe it I can come up with a couple three descriptive terms, but they are mostly just me associating the wine with certain flavors. it's very open to interpretation, based on the taster .. not a hard and fast rule where you should be able to determine everything that went into making the wine.
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it's all bullshite. they use fancy rhetoric and just regurgitate what the winemaker tells them went into the process of making, aging, and bottling the wine. when a winemaker tells you how it was aged, your mind is going to trick itself into believing you tasted each individual flavor whether you did or not. looks like in a blind taste test, they couldn't come up with some fancy description for the wine. hell, they couldn't even realize they were drinking one wine at one point.
yeah they're bullshite artists. faux experts.
Posted on 6/24/13 at 1:03 pm to TH03
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exactly. people aren't as smart as they think they are
No argument here.
I still believe if 10 bottles are presented to me, I could discern a price range.
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