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re: Oprah advises tipping 10%???????? WTF?????
Posted on 6/4/09 at 12:44 pm to TigahRag
Posted on 6/4/09 at 12:44 pm to TigahRag
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Is anybody really not dining out, solely because of what they think they have to tip?
well you are adding 15 to 20% to something that you are already paying four times more for than if you fixed it yourself at home ..
Exactly. So your decision on whether to dine out or not, is hinging in the balance on that 5% difference, between a 15% tip and a 10% one?
bullshite.
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Posted on 6/4/09 at 12:49 pm to Y.A. Tittle
nah .. not mine at all .. but some people .. you never know ..
Posted on 6/4/09 at 12:49 pm to tavolatim
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Let's say I own a restaurant and I pay my employees a good salary...
I guess I could see it working. I know it Europe this is the way it works most of the time, but they seem to have a totally different belief system about money.
I just feel for the poor restaurant guy who is hurting and yet on a bad night he still has to pay some guy a descent wage the whole time.
Can't help but think prices for all restaurants would go up a great deal higher than the % that I would tip anyway.
Posted on 6/4/09 at 12:50 pm to mouton
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i bet your a great tipper...
actually a pretty damn good one when it is earned ..
Posted on 6/4/09 at 12:56 pm to notiger1997
I would think the restaurant owner would be forced to operate his business a little smarter.
and do a little cross training but I can really see no reason why this would not work.
and do a little cross training but I can really see no reason why this would not work.
Posted on 6/4/09 at 12:57 pm to tavolatim
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do your job well and get rewarded.
At this point though, the definition of "do your job" becomes fuzzy. I sill like to reward a person who has a great attitude, knows the food/wine, and takes care of me with a nice tip.
Along these same lines, you will never find a good sales person who goes to work for a company just to make a salary. The want commission, or at the very least some very good incentive bonuses.
To step back and go another way, I think we have as a society gotten or service industry spoiled by almost always tipping pretty well even for below average service. I know I am guilty of this.
Posted on 6/4/09 at 12:59 pm to notiger1997
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Can't help but think prices for all restaurants would go up a great deal higher than the % that I would tip anyway.
I would think as in all business not bailed out by the federal govt. the free enterprize system would work...Prices would go up a lot at first but soon people would work smarter and the prices would compete.
Posted on 6/4/09 at 1:01 pm to TigahRag
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well you are adding 15 to 20% to something that you are already paying four times more for than if you fixed it yourself at home ..
Going with this... so lets say something costs you $5 at home per person... in your argument the restaurant charges $20 per person. Are you saying the difference between a $2 tip and a $3-4 tip (15-20%).
$22 I am all over it. $23... I just cant do it when I can cook for $5. That makes no sense IMHO
Posted on 6/4/09 at 1:03 pm to nikinik
The bottom line is if the marginal cost of the addition 5-10% makes a difference, you shouldnt be eating out to begin with. She is basically saying go 50 in the school zone as opposed to 55.
Posted on 6/4/09 at 1:06 pm to tavolatim
Excuse my ignorance, but have any small restaurants tried to go with this no tip policy for their service staff? Is there some rule against it?
On a related note, one of the po-boy shops that I really like had an ad out this week that mention "no tipping required or expected."
I know the reason is because it is the owner that brings your stuff out to you, but it is unusual to see.
On a related note, one of the po-boy shops that I really like had an ad out this week that mention "no tipping required or expected."
I know the reason is because it is the owner that brings your stuff out to you, but it is unusual to see.
Posted on 6/4/09 at 1:08 pm to notiger1997
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At this point though, the definition of "do your job" becomes fuzzy. I sill like to reward a person who has a great attitude, knows the food/wine, and takes care of me with a nice tip.
Along these same lines, you will never find a good sales person who goes to work for a company just to make a salary. The want commission, or at the very least some very good incentive bonuses.
To step back and go another way, I think we have as a society gotten or service industry spoiled by almost always tipping pretty well even for below average service. I know I am guilty of this.
I can see your point...but why can't server's get a bonus (or fired if they don't do their job)...you could base it on sales by the waiter and base it on your higher profit items...now your waiter has become a salesman. He makes you more money and you give him some.
Posted on 6/4/09 at 1:10 pm to igoringa
this is NOT me .. this is the logic of a lot of people though .. i.e. .. they could buy a pound of ground meat and buns and make four hamburgers for less than what they would pay for one at a restaurant and have to tip 15 to 20% on top of that .. doesn't sound like chinese calculus to me ..
This post was edited on 6/4/09 at 1:12 pm
Posted on 6/4/09 at 1:12 pm to notiger1997
Restaurants don't want to have this expense....they like us footing the bill that way they can operate cheap labor and still charge us way too much for the food. And don't even get me started on the price of drinks.
Posted on 6/4/09 at 1:16 pm to tavolatim
I agree. I have heard rumblings that John Besh was taking some of this to extremes for a while at his restaurants in that he was getting the wait staff to tip out a shite load of people so he could keep some of the hourly folks happy without having to raise their pay out of his pocket.
Posted on 6/4/09 at 1:16 pm to tavolatim
quote:This is exactly what i was thinking. you take it in to your own hand on how your service is at your restaurant and reward accordingly. dont leave it up to your costumers to reward them.
Let's say I own a restaurant and I pay my employees a good salary...
How about if that smuck does not do his job properly...I fire him....after all I am now his source of income. The incentive would be the same as in the non food industry...do your job well and get rewarded...do it poorly and get fired.
Posted on 6/4/09 at 1:17 pm to TigahRag
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they could buy a pound of ground meat and buns and make four hamburgers for less than what they would pay for one at a restaurant and have to tip 15 to 20% on top of that .. doesn't sound like chinese calculus to me ..
The chinese calculus is the fact that what you say above is the same regardless of tip... thus it in no way addresses the ridiculous notion that adjusting the tip by 5% makes a lick of difference. Whether you tip zero or 40%, the analogy is the same (much much cheaper at home). If a buck per $20 makes a difference then these people are really really dumb
Posted on 6/4/09 at 1:17 pm to tavolatim
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Restaurants don't want to have this expense....they like us footing the bill that way they can operate cheap labor and still charge us way too much for the food. And don't even get me started on the price of drinks.
Bingo. They operate under the, if it ain't broke don't fix it mentality.
I guarantee you, practically every restaurant owner will tell you it ain't broke. I suppose, in the end, that's debateable.
Posted on 6/4/09 at 1:20 pm to igoringa
no no no ... i just said in some people's minds they are throwing a 15 to 20% tip on top of something that they are already paying far more for than if they made it themselves .. yeah, to let 10% of that bill keep you home is silly .. sure .. but this is just how some people think ..
Posted on 6/4/09 at 1:22 pm to CarRamrod
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you take it in to your own hand on how your service is at your restaurant and reward accordingly. dont leave it up to your costumers to reward them.
exactly...when you get bad service you have had a bad dinner...you don't go back and request another waiter...you just don't go back and you blame the restaurant for bad service....but as stated above you now have control of this...so if you get labeled bad service it's your fault.
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