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re: Griswold Cast Iron ...
Posted on 8/4/15 at 11:18 am to Rouge
Posted on 8/4/15 at 11:18 am to Rouge
quote:Meh, not a lot to know and people get too worked up about it anyways. As with almost everything else, it was done with more craftsmanship way back when. Was the iron ore better? Many debates on that and life is too short to get caught up in that shite.
i just do not know nearly enough about cast iron, much less antique cast iron
Iron is iron and if you like the $12 Lodge you have had for 20 yrs, good on ya. If you like to collect antique cast iron and it costs a lot more but it makes you happy then rock the frick on.
Cast iron pots are hardly something to get in a pissing contest over.
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Posted on 8/4/15 at 11:40 am to htownjeep
i can see the value in the older pots that appears to be thinner and lighter on the case iron
is the difference that noticeable?
is the difference that noticeable?
Posted on 8/4/15 at 11:51 am to Rouge
quote:In my opinion, yes.
is the difference that noticeable?
Posted on 8/4/15 at 11:56 am to htownjeep
wagner appears to be a much more reasonable starter option
from what i have quickly read, they are essentially the same cast that were used by Griswold and then sold to wagner
very similar product under different name
from what i have quickly read, they are essentially the same cast that were used by Griswold and then sold to wagner
very similar product under different name
Posted on 8/4/15 at 12:49 pm to Rouge
quote:I would agree. Wagner is usually more affordable.
wagner appears to be a much more reasonable starter option
quote:In 1957 Griswold ended up being bought by Wagner essentially. They did use some of the same molds at that point, but not before.
from what i have quickly read, they are essentially the same cast that were used by Griswold and then sold to wagner
quote:Yeah, and there are a few others actually but not as widely known. Favorite, BS&R, Marion, Lodge, Wapak are some just to name a few that made excellent pieces as well.
very similar product under different name
Posted on 8/4/15 at 1:58 pm to htownjeep
Wagner, Griswold and Magnalite all rolled out the same plant in Sidney Ohio.
Posted on 8/4/15 at 2:12 pm to Kajungee
quote:I hope you meant to put a specific date range on that. Because if that's a blanket statement, it is incorrect.
Wagner, Griswold and Magnalite all rolled out the same plant in Sidney Ohio.
Posted on 8/4/15 at 2:25 pm to htownjeep
quote:
Wagner, Griswold and Magnalite all rolled out the same plant in Sidney Ohio.
I hope you meant to put a specific date range on that. Because if that's a blanket statement, it is incorrect.
Yes your correct, At one time in the 1950's I should have noted.
And Maganlite ain't cast iron either...
Posted on 8/4/15 at 2:27 pm to Kajungee
quote:
I hope you meant to put a specific date range on that. Because if that's a blanket statement, it is incorrect.
He (htown) is correct. Griswold was made in Erie, PA for almost 100 years prior to being purchased by Wagner.
Posted on 8/4/15 at 2:35 pm to Kajungee
quote:1957 specifically.
At one time in the 1950's
Posted on 8/4/15 at 2:45 pm to DocHolliday1964
quote:If we want to be 100% correct, it went down like this (this is why I said "essentially" above, because it's kind of drawn out:
He (htown) is correct. Griswold was made in Erie, PA for almost 100 years prior to being purchased by Wagner.
-Seldon & Griswold started in 1873
-1884 Griswold bought out Seldon family and became Griswold Manufacturing Company in Erie, PA
-War, labor disputes and a myriad of issues started to cripple GMC and they were in financial trouble.
-1946 GMC was sold to an investment firm.
-Randall Corp. bought Wagner in Nov. 1952.
-McGraw Edison Inc. bought Griswold in March of 1957.
-McGraw Edison Inc. sold Griswold in December 1957 to Randall.
-Griswold didn't make anything in Erie, PA after Dec. 1957 and future "Griswold" iron was poured and machined at the Wagner foundry in Sidney, Ohio.
-Randall sold both Griswold and Wagner in 1959 to Textron and they in turn sold both General Housewares in 1969.
-They closed shop in 1999.
Posted on 8/4/15 at 3:24 pm to htownjeep
Nerd alert
Posted on 8/4/15 at 3:44 pm to Rouge
quote:
Nerd alert
On this subject you are probably correct.Posted on 8/4/15 at 4:10 pm to htownjeep
A nice succinct history. I was speaking in generalities but specifics are just as good. I love (and) use my Griswold collection all the time. I have a couple from the late 1890's into 1900 that are incredible cookers. They are from the "good ore" era and compared to today's iron or even 1930's Griswolds are incredibly light. Apparently the better ore allowed the pots to be strong enough at thinner wall thicknesses. I love cooking in those old pots.
Posted on 8/4/15 at 4:25 pm to DocHolliday1964
quote:My favorites as well. I have nothing older than 1912 in my collection.
I have a couple from the late 1890's into 1900 that are incredible cookers.
quote:Hate to burst your bubble, but that is a myth. You can thank true artisans who created very fine sand molds by hand and with skill for those thin walls. Not the iron.
Apparently the better ore allowed the pots to be strong enough at thinner wall thicknesses.
quote:
I love cooking in those old pots.
Me too. I can only imagine some of the stories these pieces could tell. The Great Depression, World Wars, .....Posted on 8/4/15 at 4:34 pm to htownjeep
If someone wants to help me out...what are some of the vintage cast iron skillets that are lighter? Are there any to be had that aren't ultra rare collectors items?
Posted on 8/4/15 at 4:42 pm to RabidTiger
quote:Griswold, Wagner, Favorite, BS&R, Marion, Lodge, Wapak...all good choices. Pre WWII and you're pretty safe.
what are some of the vintage cast iron skillets that are lighter?
quote:Depends on what you're looking for. What size are you wanting? There are good finds out there if you look enough. Even more if you're willing to clean it and season it yourself.
Are there any to be had that aren't ultra rare collectors items?
Posted on 8/4/15 at 5:43 pm to htownjeep
I think I'd like a 10" or 12". Probably a 10". My girlfriend has a 12" enameled skillet that I like to cook with, but that thing weighs at least 7 pounds. Also, I believe the interior has some sort of coating even though it looks like black iron.
This would be my first skillet, so Id rather not make a huge investment right off. Maybe fifty dollars or less.
Any idea how much a good vintage 10" skillet might weigh?
Where can I find one other than ebay?
This would be my first skillet, so Id rather not make a huge investment right off. Maybe fifty dollars or less.
Any idea how much a good vintage 10" skillet might weigh?
Where can I find one other than ebay?
Posted on 8/4/15 at 7:28 pm to RabidTiger
Are you looking for a 10" or a #10? Most of the vintage iron was measured by # and not inches (or quarts for that matter). My Griswold #10 skillet is in fact 10" across the bottom but my #8 is 9" across the bottom. The #12 is 11 1/2" across. Some can be found in the Denham antiques area (one in particular, I can't remember the name). Ebay is not a bad source for good iron but you most likely will pay north of $100 for a 10 or 12. Griswold is a little hard to find in our corner of the world. More of a midwest item I think. Ebay/interwebs gives you a little more coverage to find something.
This post was edited on 8/4/15 at 7:29 pm
Posted on 8/4/15 at 9:08 pm to RabidTiger
Rabid, Doc is correct, the numbers don't necessarily mean skillet size. (Nerd fact: The number system started because the number signified the size of the woodburning stove eye in which the skillet would fit.).
A #12 is a hair under 12" across and is massive. A #10 should be 10" across and is fairly large. I prefer #9 or #8 for daily users. My favorite is a pre-1900 Erie #9 and I use it several times a week. I have some extra #8's and #9's and a #5 but they're way over your $50 budget. I have a lot of friends who buy/sell a lot and can ask for you if you want. But to say you want really good iron and putting a $50 limit on it is quite a dilemma, just fyi.
A #12 is a hair under 12" across and is massive. A #10 should be 10" across and is fairly large. I prefer #9 or #8 for daily users. My favorite is a pre-1900 Erie #9 and I use it several times a week. I have some extra #8's and #9's and a #5 but they're way over your $50 budget. I have a lot of friends who buy/sell a lot and can ask for you if you want. But to say you want really good iron and putting a $50 limit on it is quite a dilemma, just fyi.
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