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re: Why is baiting most game illegal except for deer?
Posted on 10/4/17 at 2:33 pm to dfintlyHmmrd
Posted on 10/4/17 at 2:33 pm to dfintlyHmmrd
This post was edited on 10/4/17 at 2:34 pm
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Posted on 10/4/17 at 2:52 pm to upgrayedd
A lot of fat and lazy frickers deer hunt
Posted on 10/4/17 at 4:15 pm to DeepSouthSportsman
I heard Ted Nugent ask the question (he's pro-baiting) "What's the difference between baiting your hook to catch a fish and hunting deer over a feeder?" It made me stop and think because really there is no difference; you're using the animal's feeding instinct to capture/kill it. But, philosophically, I wouldn't hunt over a feeder for deer while I bait hooks all the time. One just doesn't seem sporting but when you boil it down, there shouldn't be any difference. 
Posted on 10/4/17 at 7:37 pm to SoFla Tideroller
I hunt both south LA and Midwest. If you think baiting is not sporty enough come hunt down south. There is warmer weather, pressure, unlimited food source, thick cover, etc. You may never see or get a daytime picture of a good mature buck all year. We use plots and bait mainly for does. 90% chance you will not see a mature buck coming to bait or plots during hunting hours. We have to find those bucks route and cut them off before dark. It's is so thick you may not see bucks chasing or get a clear shot during the rut. I can go to the Midwest scout for two days and I am way more likely to take a mature buck THAT week. I was shocked at how "easy" hunting/scouting was compared to south LA...even without bait.
Posted on 10/4/17 at 8:04 pm to upgrayedd
I would say it is safer too.
Posted on 10/4/17 at 8:13 pm to upgrayedd
I always thought it was funny that guys from the Midwest would turn their nose up at baiting but will sit on a cut corn field
Posted on 10/4/17 at 11:01 pm to tigers225
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tigers225
Agreed. I had someone tell me one time, "if you can kill in Louisiana, then you can kill anywhere".
Posted on 10/4/17 at 11:33 pm to dfintlyHmmrd
Check out Ole Mr "Legal Eagle" over here
Posted on 10/4/17 at 11:43 pm to upgrayedd
This has nothing to do with other game but everything to do with baiting in La vs Midwest
Ever seen what a food source ( cut corn or beans, or foodplots look like up there late season? Every deer for miles funnels in there. That's because they don't have any other food source and hasn't since beginning of Oct
Down here we have acorns that don't sour till February. Thistle, briars, pecans, and other browse doesn't die off till mid December on an average year. Hell my garden will grow cucumbers into November if I let it.
Another thing. How many people kill wall hangers over feeders? Especially late season? Now if our food source was gone earlier and breeding season was earlier, how many giants would be killed when a corn feeder was the only source of food and they were trying to put weight back on.
In summary, apples and oranges
ETA: I'm on my soap box so I'm gonna keep going
Food plots in the south aren't very effective other than making millions for the company owners. Sure some areas see better results than others but prior to the rut in never gets cold enough for deer to have to walk out in an open field to survive. Sure there are anomalies in a herd of 800k but it's not easy to get that weary old buck to do it. He's learned he can do that at night.
And most of our region never really hunts a true "post rut" where the bucks have put their ding dong away and just wanna fatten back up. Most see rutting till end of season. Imagine how an old wore down buck would come running to a food source. I know if I got to frick random hoes ( does) for a few weeks I'd want to belly up to a buffet also. Even if I had as good of chance as being shot like I was selling bootleg CDs at Triple Mart or whatever.
Ever seen what a food source ( cut corn or beans, or foodplots look like up there late season? Every deer for miles funnels in there. That's because they don't have any other food source and hasn't since beginning of Oct
Down here we have acorns that don't sour till February. Thistle, briars, pecans, and other browse doesn't die off till mid December on an average year. Hell my garden will grow cucumbers into November if I let it.
Another thing. How many people kill wall hangers over feeders? Especially late season? Now if our food source was gone earlier and breeding season was earlier, how many giants would be killed when a corn feeder was the only source of food and they were trying to put weight back on.
In summary, apples and oranges
ETA: I'm on my soap box so I'm gonna keep going
Food plots in the south aren't very effective other than making millions for the company owners. Sure some areas see better results than others but prior to the rut in never gets cold enough for deer to have to walk out in an open field to survive. Sure there are anomalies in a herd of 800k but it's not easy to get that weary old buck to do it. He's learned he can do that at night.
And most of our region never really hunts a true "post rut" where the bucks have put their ding dong away and just wanna fatten back up. Most see rutting till end of season. Imagine how an old wore down buck would come running to a food source. I know if I got to frick random hoes ( does) for a few weeks I'd want to belly up to a buffet also. Even if I had as good of chance as being shot like I was selling bootleg CDs at Triple Mart or whatever.
This post was edited on 10/4/17 at 11:54 pm
Posted on 10/5/17 at 7:45 am to FelicianaTigerfan
That all sounds good, but somehow, in Alabama, we manage.
Posted on 10/5/17 at 8:02 am to riverparish
If you can kill on public land in Louisiana you can kill anywhere. Anybody can kill over a cornpile
Cornpiles are like training wheels. You should graduate from them and never go back to it
Cornpiles are like training wheels. You should graduate from them and never go back to it
Posted on 10/5/17 at 8:08 am to Teague
That's his entire point. Baiting is not nearly as effective as people make it sound. Sure it might help you kill a doe if you're the type that likes to show up twice a month and shoot, but mature deer know that corn or food plot will still be there after dark and the woods are full of browse until February. The most useful thing about it is letting you know what deer are in the area, beyond that it wouldn't hurt my feelings if it was banned tomorrow.
Posted on 10/5/17 at 9:01 am to dfintlyHmmrd
trail cams and feed make deer hunting a hell of a lot easier.
i got a lot of respect for the old school hunters. Get out on public land and just become one with the woods and would figure those deer out. No feed, no cameras..
i got a lot of respect for the old school hunters. Get out on public land and just become one with the woods and would figure those deer out. No feed, no cameras..
Posted on 10/5/17 at 9:20 am to FelicianaTigerfan
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Ever seen what a food source ( cut corn or beans, or foodplots look like up there late season? Every deer for miles funnels in there. That's because they don't have any other food source and hasn't since beginning of Oct
Yeah they don't make piles but they hunt acres and acres of cut corn fields with some corn still standing in the field.
Such a huge advantage to have a 50lb corn pile
Posted on 10/5/17 at 9:28 am to bayouvette
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become one with the woods and would figure those deer out
I wouldn't call running dogs and shooting anything that moves becoming one with the woods and figuring those deer out, but tomato, tomatoe.
Posted on 10/5/17 at 9:32 am to upgrayedd
If it was legal to put a giant lance on the front of your truck and run them down on/near the road after dark I could take out 50 deer a year. Put a rifle in my hands and stick me in the woods and there won't be a deer within 125 miles of me.
Screw bait lets find a way to make deer jousting legal in Alabama.
Screw bait lets find a way to make deer jousting legal in Alabama.
Posted on 10/5/17 at 2:20 pm to TheDrunkenTigah
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I wouldn't call running dogs and shooting anything that moves becoming one with the woods and figuring those deer out, but tomato, tomatoe.
using dogs aint huntin IMO.
not sure where you got that from. try to read that post again cap
Posted on 10/5/17 at 3:02 pm to upgrayedd
Hunting corn piles/feeders, food plots and cut corn fields are no different to me than hunting the hot oak tree. You're hunting a food source. And as mentioned, big bucks are rarely killed on corn piles.
The reason why it's legal for deer and not ducks, is that ducks are migratory, going great distances in large part to search for food. If you bait, you concentrat birds from a wide radius and pile them into one location. In some cases thousands at a time. It's why rice fields and corn fields make amazing duck hunting opportunities.
Whitetail deer, on the other hand, are largely home bodies. You aren't pulling deer from miles away with a feeder. You're just making your local population more predictable.
The reason why it's legal for deer and not ducks, is that ducks are migratory, going great distances in large part to search for food. If you bait, you concentrat birds from a wide radius and pile them into one location. In some cases thousands at a time. It's why rice fields and corn fields make amazing duck hunting opportunities.
Whitetail deer, on the other hand, are largely home bodies. You aren't pulling deer from miles away with a feeder. You're just making your local population more predictable.
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