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re: I am the Department of Education: Look on my works, ye Mighty, and despair!
Posted on 2/15/17 at 4:17 pm to Iosh
Posted on 2/15/17 at 4:17 pm to Iosh
quote:no. I just see that graph combined with Educators telling me that the primary problem and education has to do with non-monetary factors and ask myself this. If the primary problem isn't monetary and enormously increasing budgets haven't had any real effect then isn't that an argument to stop increasing budgets? Hell isn't it an argument that says it was no justification for the huge increases in the first place
I think people are seeing that graph and shitting on teachers without realizing that teacher salaries have been pretty much the same since 1970 (and declined relative to other professions).
Posted on 2/15/17 at 4:22 pm to Iosh
quote:I'll give you an easier one that combines both of those. Give standardized tests to all first graders or heck maybe all kindergarteners. Make note of the results. The kids who showed up ahead of all of their peers are most likely to have parents will answer the phone when you call. Both of my children showed up to school supposedly reading at the third grade level. I don't sit here and think wow my children are the next Einstein. I simply recognize that their peers Across the Nation have generally s***** parents. I mean I don't mean to be rude here but neither of my children are exceptionally bright. They just learned what I taught them. Apparently it's some major life accomplishment to be able to read a complete sentence when you're in kindergarten and add two or three digit numbers. I'll bet that if you did what I said above you'd find that it was more predictive than almost any other thing you could do
often thought that if you're going to go to some kind of tracking system for kids, the best way to separate them out is not through some standardized test, but just whether their parents show up when called.
Posted on 2/15/17 at 5:13 pm to Iosh
A really interesting thing is that children in two parent households, specifically two parent married heterosexual households, do better than everyone else
Posted on 2/15/17 at 5:24 pm to Iosh
quote:I would imagine that the increase is because there are probably more support staff, especially with IDEA and the professionals involved in that.
I think people are seeing that graph and shitting on teachers without realizing that teacher salaries have been pretty much the same since 1970 (and declined relative to other professions).
There may also be smaller classrooms sizes, but I may be wrong
Posted on 2/15/17 at 6:30 pm to cokebottleag
I know only a couple poor teachers in my building of 200 plus staff. And they arent even that bad. Most go above and beyond.
The lack of parent involvement at conferences shows up in the results.
I would rank these issues as the primary problems
Poverty
Parenting
Black culture
Pc progressive administration
We need jobs in the country to lift more families into the middle class.
We need better involved nuclear family parenting.
We need to demonize black victim and thug culture and make education cool and relevant for blacks.
We need common sense administration to call a spade a spade and quit making excuses for politically incorrect results. And realize that not every kid is college bound and that school is education not daycare.
The lack of parent involvement at conferences shows up in the results.
I would rank these issues as the primary problems
Poverty
Parenting
Black culture
Pc progressive administration
We need jobs in the country to lift more families into the middle class.
We need better involved nuclear family parenting.
We need to demonize black victim and thug culture and make education cool and relevant for blacks.
We need common sense administration to call a spade a spade and quit making excuses for politically incorrect results. And realize that not every kid is college bound and that school is education not daycare.
Posted on 2/15/17 at 7:04 pm to Centinel
quote:
Although me being a rabid libertarian, I absolutely hate any and all government "War on X" programs...I just think the War on Poverty has done the most damage to our nation as a whole.
"war on X" is something we should get the frick away from. war blows.. and so does "war"
Posted on 2/15/17 at 7:16 pm to cokebottleag
B4 DoEd, USA led the world (or was near the very top) of student achievement.
Since DoEd, down the shitter.
Since DoEd, down the shitter.
Posted on 2/16/17 at 12:25 am to PoundFoolish
So you promote collectivism in our education system but profess to be a conservative against federal gov overreach? Your odd obsession with common core has nothing to do with what I am talking about. The only places that are currently implementing the alternative methods of teaching that I have mentioned are PRIVATE schools and a handfull of CHARTER schools- the antithesis of common core's concept.
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