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Iraqi Army?
Posted on 9/11/14 at 6:06 am
Posted on 9/11/14 at 6:06 am
During last night's speech, all i kept hearing was this "coalition" that we are trying to build to help us fight ISIS. While i think that is extremely important, i kept wondering to myself, did the Iraqi Army completely disband or something? I served in the Army and fought in Baghdad Iraq for 15 months from 04'-05'. My unit worked side by side with some of the Iraqi National Guard. With 800,000 current Iraqi soldiers, my question is, why do we need this "broad coalition" to help fight ISIS? WTF is the Iraqi Army doing? Its been 13 years. The Iraqi Army needs to step up and fight. They have the personel, equipment and funding to get this done. Why are we now going to waste another 500 million training and building another coalition to fight ISIS? Does anybody else get extremely frustrated about this?
This post was edited on 9/11/14 at 6:08 am
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Posted on 9/11/14 at 6:27 am to Buckeye Backer
Salvation Army >>>>> Iraqi Army
Posted on 9/11/14 at 7:10 am to Wtodd
From the best I can gather, the coalition is a few countries in the Middle East that have "blessed" our fight. We have not been told that they will supply forces. The only forces Obama spoke of was the moderate Syrian rebels and the Iraqis. This leaves a lot to be desired. We trained the Iraqis for almost ten years and they folded like a seven two off suit.
I wonder if we will be drawn into a boots on the ground fight.
I wonder if we will be drawn into a boots on the ground fight.
Posted on 9/11/14 at 7:14 am to Stingray
quote:This is something I wish would get called out more. I don't understand why these countries are not willing to contributed anything material to the stability of their own region. Where the frick are the Saudis? I think this is very telling and these assholes need to be held accountable for this. You want your region to be secure? Put some fricking skin in the game.
We have not been told that they will supply forces
This post was edited on 9/11/14 at 7:16 am
Posted on 9/11/14 at 7:15 am to Stingray
The French supposedly will fly some sorties.
Posted on 9/11/14 at 7:19 am to Buckeye Backer
If I remember correctly, when this all started an entire Iraqi division was routed by 800 ISIS fighters.
For those that don't know, a standard division is typically made up of around 10,000 to 15,000 personnel.
This does not bode well for Obama's strategery.
For those that don't know, a standard division is typically made up of around 10,000 to 15,000 personnel.
This does not bode well for Obama's strategery.
Posted on 9/11/14 at 7:22 am to Buckeye Backer
The Arab countries, with the exception of the Armies currently getting routed by ISIS, are NOT going to provide forces to fight this battle. You can write that in rock.
Posted on 9/11/14 at 7:24 am to Jbird
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The French supposedly will fly some sorties.
It's been amusing and pretty awesome to see the french start taking a semi-badass (for France) approach to foreign policy in the past few years. Good for them.
Posted on 9/11/14 at 7:27 am to bamarep
UN Coalition = 300,000 Americans + 1,000 Brits + 500 Aussies + 200 Canadians + 10 Germans + 5 Poles + 1 Singaporean (?) + .....
Singapore literally had 1 person there in 2007-2008 ... and got counted as part of the coalition. I knew the dude.
That's about what it was like before.
Posted on 9/11/14 at 7:42 am to navy
John Kerry says a coalition of 40 countries, but nobody can find more than 9.
Posted on 9/11/14 at 7:43 am to Carville
Kerry is also counting those countries that will stay home and cheer
Posted on 9/11/14 at 7:47 am to Wtodd
Perhaps the Vietnamese and Bangladesh workers who produce the dry fit undergarments count? The Indians who operate call centers for our Troops' credit cards should be counted as well. That's three more coalition members already!!!
Posted on 9/11/14 at 7:48 am to LSUTigersVCURams
quote:Considering the problems they are having with non Islamic nutbags in France I guess they finally needed to do something.
It's been amusing and pretty awesome to see the french start taking a semi-badass (for France) approach to foreign policy in the past few years. Good for them.
Posted on 9/11/14 at 7:50 am to Wtodd
Posted on 9/11/14 at 7:56 am to Carville
This is so frustrating to me. 10+ years of training the Iraqis to stand up and defend their country. Like i said, the Iraqi military has the personel, equipment (far better then ISIS) and the funding to take out ISIS. They have said that many members of ISIS are fighting with them only for money. If thats the case, why doesnt the Iraqi governmnet step up its pay to its military to get some of those same Iraqis to fight for their country instead of against it? Regardless of how we all feel about the Iraqi Army, THEY are the most important part of this. If they stand up and fight and defeat ISIS, that will legitmize Iraq and its military and in the future deter future terrorists groups from seeking safe haven.
This post was edited on 9/11/14 at 7:57 am
Posted on 9/11/14 at 8:07 am to Buckeye Backer
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Like i said, the Iraqi military has the personel, equipment (far better then ISIS)
Didn't ISIS take all of the weapons/armored vehicle when the Iraqi divisions fled?
Posted on 9/11/14 at 8:09 am to Buckeye Backer
I have a feeling many members of that army turned to Isis al nursa or other groups. I know there will be members of the Ana, ansf, and the afghani police who will turn once they don't feel like fighting anymore.
Posted on 9/11/14 at 8:11 am to Stingray
And some of those moderate rebels fight with the FSA who want to overthrow Assad which means some of the arms we give these guys will go to Isis. Bad strategy
Posted on 9/11/14 at 8:12 am to navy
that's one brave guy
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